[Xelion]

Originally posted by RandomTiger
OGL2

Its backwards compatible with OGL1.3 but better with OGL1.4

Originally posted by RandomTiger
DX next (or whatever the hell they are calling it).

Personally I think DX9 is what you'll be working on, at this stage if a DX10 does come out it'll be just like the next IE, it'll only be compatible with the next Windows OS and onwards

[redmenace]

Originally posted by Xelion

Its backwards compatible with OGL1.3 but better with OGL1.4


Personally I think DX9 is what you'll be working on, at this stage if a DX10 does come out it'll be just like the next IE, it'll only be compatible with the next Windows OS and onwards

just a comment, but DX 10 is not coming out for a log while.

[Xelion]

Recon thats a pretty good system for a laptop - since you posted your 3dmark score and my system is similar enough I got a 3dmark score as well, the prog is a bit dodgy though. Heres my system specs

[TopAce]

Only 8.1 DirectX support here. GeForce4 MX440. 64 MEGs.

[Grey Wolf]

GeForce 4 Ti 4200 here, so DX8.1.

[QuantumDelta]

rofl, no offence but there's a reason very few games use DX9 ATM.

As for ATI vs NV there's good and bad points to both groups, I personally prefer the NV though I got stuck with a 5200 for the time being (student budget), In terms of utilities/support functions, the ATI Cards tend to be better, and, they also tend to be slightly (read SLIGHTLY) more stable, however NV Cards, especially if you build a system around them, like most of the ATI whores do with their cards (NV tends to be the casual gamer type more often so people throw the card in as an after thought, but anyone with a 9800XT probably built the system around it 9/10, simply because of the money..), are typically faster (even if a little loud), and though they have some dodginess with their pipelining they aren't that unstable, especially if you stick to WHQL Cert Drivers.

Anyway, to my point...

Why would you want to make features that would be extremely exclusive at this point in time?
I doubt this poll is accurate at the moment, and, even if it is, most of you are coders, computer enthusiasts, so how does your system compair to a casual user?

Am I making any sense here?

Who are you developing SCP for, yourselves, or the general public?

Though with how user friendly your installs are atm I think I could answer that myself

[Xelion]

Originally posted by QuantumDelta
but anyone with a 9800XT probably built the system around it 9/10, simply because of the money..), are typically faster (even if a little loud

I'd hardly think a 9800XT would be a little loud unless you've got a frickin' sink attached to it with an ordinary house fan. I have a 9600XT and it makes less noise than by my generic AMD cpu fan...

Originally posted by QuantumDelta
Why would you want to make features that would be extremely exclusive at this point in time?

The SCP Project can't be manipulated to the extent it can support everything the coders and community wish to have thus Kazan has come up with the Ferrium project. So I'm assuming they'll end the SCP soon, but before that happens I think they want to achieve as much as they can with the SCP. Hence the reason for trying to find out what DX version is most common and of course ATI support is specifically in there because thats what the coders obviously have.

Originally posted by QuantumDelta
Who are you developing SCP for, yourselves, or the general public?

Both I would assume but to the extent that allows them to. The SCP gets no funding which means that coders have to do with what they have and unless you intend to join them. It looks like DX9 and ATI support will continue to be the most recommended choice.

[ChronoReverse]

Until nVidia redeems themselves and produces a worthy video card again, there's little reason to tailor the SCP to their video cards.  Especially when the ATi ones don't require such tailoring in general.


Truform isn't really tailoring to ATi since the feature was activated for the SCP relatively easily according to Bobboau.

[Liberator]

That doesn't stop it from being "ATI only"

[QuantumDelta]

Originally posted by Xelion

I'd hardly think a 9800XT would be a little loud unless you've got a frickin' sink attached to it with an ordinary house fan. I have a 9600XT and it makes less noise than by my generic AMD cpu fan...



The SCP Project can't be manipulated to the extent it can support everything the coders and community wish to have thus Kazan has come up with the Ferrium project. So I'm assuming they'll end the SCP soon, but before that happens I think they want to achieve as much as they can with the SCP. Hence the reason for trying to find out what DX version is most common and of course ATI support is specifically in there because thats what the coders obviously have.



Both I would assume but to the extent that allows them to. The SCP gets no funding which means that coders have to do with what they have and unless you intend to join them. It looks like DX9 and ATI support will continue to be the most recommended choice.

You didn't understand a word I said -_-
I'm saying, HLP is a /small/ part of the /larger/ FS2 community, get that? SMALL.
A poll here means sweet FA to your average joe, most FS2 pilots of this age probably haven't even heard of this place, you have virtually no presence on moddatabases around the net, and the only people that find out about you are random surfage through google and the like, or people who are refered by old vet's of the game.
Sure everyone at HLP uses ATI Cards, okay, but the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD who aren't Coders/Hard core gamers/Trying to keep up with some of the changes SCP/Other mods are doing technologically (well poly counts for the mods...) use lower end NV Cards.

Your reply, just highlights and compounds what I was trying to say.... ¬.¬
Even further, compounded by the two comments directly above...

[Nico]

Originally posted by Kazan
[it's funny how bobboau and I are the big Radeon-whores and how he's doing the GFX and I am doing fundamental engine design....]

funny, I don't know, but handy, it sure is

[Bobboau]

well I'm makeing it run the best it will for me, if you happen to have similar hardware as me you too will benifit from the things I implement.
if you made poor hardware choices on the other hand... sorry. the best codeing in the world can't make up for bad hardware

and trueform was basicly

d3d_set_state(TRUEFORM, ON);

I don't know what the _hell_ people are talking about it being hard to implement.

[IncendiaryLemon]

Originally posted by QuantumDelta
In terms of utilities/support functions, the ATI Cards tend to be better, and, they also tend to be slightly (read SLIGHTLY) more stable, however NV Cards, especially if you build a system around them, like most of the ATI whores do with their cards, are typically faster (even if a little loud), and though they have some dodginess with their pipelining they aren't that unstable, especially if you stick to WHQL Cert Drivers.

 You managed to get your generalizations backwards, NVIDIA is slower with broad compatiblity and ATI is fast and bugged.

 But then I'm not sure what complaint you follow, that the source code project would support Dx9 features? The game scales, you won't be able to use the full options but you can still run it comfortably on a 5200.

[HellToupee]

Originally posted by Bobboau
well I'm makeing it run the best it will for me, if you happen to have similar hardware as me you too will benifit from the things I implement.
if you made poor hardware choices on the other hand... sorry. the best codeing in the world can't make up for bad hardware

and trueform was basicly

d3d_set_state(TRUEFORM, ON);

I don't know what the _hell_ people are talking about it being hard to implement.

would hardly call them "bad", sure the 5200 is crap, its supposed to be, the 5600 isnt that great. Performace varies from game to game some have better performace with ati some with nvidia. The big plus being you pretty much know a game is going to have minimum problems with NV cards generally because of their the way its meant to be played campaign and drivers, i prefer them for those reasons not loyality to NV, as its just a company out there for my money like all other companys.

[Bobboau]

"you pretty much know a game is going to have minimum problems with NV"

untill your card catches fire...

[Taristin]

...which is funny, because it was an ATi card that shorted my AGP slot.

[Bobboau]

how can any card sort an AGP slot...

[Deathstorm V2]

I'm running an MSI GF4 MX440, 64Mb.  I've been thingking of going for a 128Mb GF4, but now I'm wavering.  What's the cheapest nVidia card that supports DX9?

[Grug]

I'm not sure about DX9. But FX5200's are fairly common these days and can chug out some decent graphics too. I have the same card as you at the moment, for this computer anyway.

For proper DX9 support you need to spend more cash. Maybe a FX5600? or 5700? I think its the newish Radeon9600XT are pretty good, + it comes with a free copy of HalfLife2 (pre-ordered in other words). But yeh, depends on how much money you want to spend and where you live...

-Grug

[Xelion]

Originally posted by QuantumDelta
I'm saying, HLP is a /small/ part of the /larger/ FS2 community, get that? SMALL.
A poll here means sweet FA to your average joe, most FS2 pilots of this age probably haven't even heard of this place, you have virtually no presence on moddatabases around the net, and the only people that find out about you are random surfage through google and the like, or people who are refered by old vet's of the game.
Sure everyone at HLP uses ATI Cards, okay, but the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD who aren't Coders/Hard core gamers/Trying to keep up with some of the changes SCP/Other mods are doing technologically (well poly counts for the mods...) use lower end NV Cards.

HLP is the largest fs2 community on the web AFAIK. While the rest of the world are just considered as gamers cruising by playing mods here and there. Having a big presence online is hard to come by especially for a 5+ year old game, and I think everyones satisfied or overly joyed that the game has come this far and is stilll going.

Btw not everyone here @ HLP has ATI cards its just the coders do and maybe quite a few more. Though unlike massive gaming companies that have access to graphics cards from both sides and support from them we obviously don't so if you support nVidia so much you could learn code that could perhaps use features on the card you have and so many others have to.