[freespacegundam]

I was looking over the systems of freespace and found out about something called the Talina system.  I know the jump nodes to it collapsed but where did they lead to?  I know one went to Vega but I can't find any information on the other.

The reason I'm asking is I'm thinking of putting the system into a campaign, and need to know where the other node leads.

[Knight Templar]

Talnia[/i][/b] or Talania (correct form. Talnia was used because it sounded l33ter.. but it's erm.. less canon.)

The other node connected to Betaq IIRC.

[Eishtmo]

Antares and Beta Aquilea.  There's some question as to whether the system ever existed as a true star system on the FS node map.  I remember it existing, but there's no evidence beyond the entry in the tech room for the Leviathan.

The collapse of those nodes is my explanation of what happened to it.

[Goober5000]

I thought it was Vega and Beta Aquilae.

[Eishtmo]

Ah yes, it was Vega.  My bad.

[IceFire]

I was pretty sure that it was Ace that invented it

[Eishtmo]

The system exists, it's in the tech room, it's canon.  It's actual location, on the other hand, is a bit of a mystery.  I'm pretty sure I saw it on an old, official node map, but I'll be damned if I can find it any more.

[Ace]

No, it's a system on the FS2 starchart. But officially it's one of those FS1-2 inconsistencies.

It is Talania, not Talnia, that was my bad when making Cardinal Spear over five years ago.

At that time, I had it as a system connected to Vega and Beta Aquilae.

However, when doing some rewrites for the new version that will be released with the FS1-2 Conversion stuff thanks to Goober and the good folks working there Talania is a gas giant system in the Beta Aquilae system.

This of course isn't consistent with Eishtmo's story for the V-T war (also interchangably called the T-V war), but since there is no canonical information on wether Talania is a system as in "The Jovian System" or a star system I decided to switch to the former just to confuse the whole FS community

There are, however, some subtle nods to the V-T war project as well as the new version of Cardinal Spear, now titled "The Vega Engagement" in act two of Blackwater operations.

Also, the only starcharts that had the map was a modified version of the FS1 chart I made for Cardinal Spear, which was often "borrowed" and was not labeled as a campaign map, as well as an early version of the Warzone starchart that included systems such as the neutron star N362 and Gehenna.

The only difference between the official nodechart that can be downloaded at the Volition FS1 website and the one used in the command briefing animations is the removal of the other nodes from Sol.

Talania and Gulnara are both the phantom star systems of the Terran Vasudan War

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Ace
Talania and Gulnara are both the phantom star systems of the Terran Vasudan War

Ah, but Talania is explicitly referred to as a system, where Gulnara is just Gulnara - it could be a star, a planet, or even a moon (which Eishtmo made it).

since there is no canonical information on wether Talania is a system as in "The Jovian System" or a star system I decided to switch to the former just to confuse the whole FS community

It's not confusion; it's just plain wrong. Nowhere in FS1 or FS2 is a planet and its moons referred to as a system.  However, stars are referred to as systems all the time.  If you're going to say something is a system, you have to make it a star.

[Trivial Psychic]

Originally posted by Ace
Also, the only starcharts that had the map was a modified version of the FS1 chart I made for Cardinal Spear, which was often "borrowed" and was not labeled as a campaign map, as well as an early version of the Warzone starchart that included systems such as the neutron star N362 and Gehenna.

Did you just say that N362 is a neutron star system?  How cannon is that?

Later!

[Goober5000]

Could you not put "Later!" at the end of all your posts?  No offense, but it's kind of annoying.

I presume N362 is a neutron star in Freespace because it's a neutron star in real life.

[Trivial Psychic]

Sorry about that Goob, but that's how I end all of my posts, on every forum I'm a part of, and every email I send out... and I'm not the only one who does that.  Anyway, I guess I'll have to make some alterations to my WIP campaign if N362 is a neutron star.  Now that I think about it, it never occured to me what the "N" might stand for.

Late... that is, I mean... bye!

[Ace]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Ah, but Talania is explicitly referred to as a system, where Gulnara is just Gulnara - it could be a star, a planet, or even a moon (which Eishtmo made it).It's not confusion; it's just plain wrong. Nowhere in FS1 or FS2 is a planet and its moons referred to as a system.  However, stars are referred to as systems all the time.  If you're going to say something is a system, you have to make it a star.

Actually since so few planets are mentioned in FS1/2, (Cygnus Prime is one of the few) we don't know how they actually would refer to a gas giant system. So the use of Talania as a gas giant as opposed to a star system is a valid option based off of the lack of information we have.

It is true that Gulnara is just Gulnara and could be any type of celestial body, even a companion star.

Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
Did you just say that N362 is a neutron star system?  How cannon is that?

It is not an official Volition star system, but yes it is a neutron star.

[Eishtmo]

Well, after looking through some very, very old things from Volition, it looks like it never was official, however, I'm going to leave it a system with my explination for why it isn't there (the nodes were always unstable and just outright collapsed).

No matter, we're making enough stuff up for the 14 Year War, one more thing isn't that big of a deal.

However, there is an idea I did have.  If you read through the Reference Bible, there are three systems mentioned (Rexis, Talania and Rodine).  It's possible that these are the Vasudan names for the systems, not the Terran ones on the chart.  Given the actual size of the engagement zone for the war (it's not just in Antares and Vega kids), it's a possibility at the very least.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Eishtmo
However, there is an idea I did have.  If you read through the Reference Bible, there are three systems mentioned (Rexis, Talania and Rodine).  It's possible that these are the Vasudan names for the systems, not the Terran ones on the chart.  Given the actual size of the engagement zone for the war (it's not just in Antares and Vega kids), it's a possibility at the very least.

Vasudan names for the systems is another viable option.

Probably, this sort of thing should be added to the wiki, (that is if it's still being used) the fact Volition mentions these systems, the sources, and the different ways people in the FS community have incorporated them into campaigns. (i.e. actual star systems, gas giant systems, Vasudan names for the systems, etc.)

[kasperl]

i completely agree Ace, click the link under my name to go to the Wiki, the rest should be self explanotory.

[Eishtmo]

I've filled in a lot at Wiki, I've been busy however, and unable to put more in.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ace


Vasudan names for the systems is another viable option.

It would, however, seem very odd to use Vasudan designations for star systems (in command briefings and whatnotn...i.e. on a Terran ship) when terran naming conventions are used for everything else that's Vasudan.

[Eishtmo]

Yeah, I've considered that.  It doesn't make any sense when looked at from that angle.  Then again, there aren't many other options.

The only other one I can think of is that it took a while to figure out exactly which star a node came out into.  Thus the system would be named (Talania) for a while, then the actual name would be figured out and the system officially renamed, even if many still used the old name.  But I wouldn't think it would take that long to figure that out, so I don't know how viable that would be.

[Solatar]

It could have been discovered by pirates or something, and they named it one thing while the GTA named it another.

Or the GTA might have discovered a node leading into a "new" system, which was, in fact just a node into an alreayd discovered system.