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I am decidedly nothing. Closer to Libertarian than anything else, in fact.

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list some republicans you like
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You mean politicians, or people I personally know?

If politicians, and presumably restricted to ones who're around today, off the top of my mind... I actually quite like McCain; Arnie has shown himself to be far more competent than previously expected; there was that very recent guy who... ****, I've forgotten his name, back in a second, I remember he had a few policies I dug...

Oh, and my old Congressman Wolf, though not for the same reasons. Guy was hilarious, gave a big speech condemning the Chinese for eating babies, it was awesome.

There are quite a few more, far fewer nowadays than a few years ago, but that's how it goes when you've got a political monopoly, things polarize and it's never in a good direction...

Oh, and Heston was alright. Bit of a moron, bit of a single-issue zealot, but at least his obsession wasn't a wholly repugnant one.

 

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hey! another flame war? Ok, who pushed the red button, I see mushrooms everywhere in the forum... oh, and pink elephants, too...
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hey! another flame war? Ok, who pushed the red button, I see mushrooms everywhere in the forum... oh, and pink elephants, too...
kewwwwwwl...


Obviously been eating the mushrooms haven't you? :)
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well there was sooo maaneeeeee :þ
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McCain seems to me to be one of the more realisitic politicians out there, at least from my perspective. Too bad he couldn't defeat Bush in the primaries....
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Originally posted by Liberator
BY GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY ON THE EARTH AND IN IT AS WELL!

I want you small-minded, hateful bastards to stop and bloody well THINK about what kind of situation you'd be in if Bill and his pet witch had been in charge or, God above help us, Al "I am tree" Gore.


Are you stating that because people dislike Bush's policies they are "hateful bastards?"

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For the record, Clinton was more interested in getting his socks blown, and then lying about it while his witch, Hillary, was communicating with former first ladies ghosts.  It is Clinton policies that led to 9/11 by weakening the CIA and leading OBL to think he could strike against the Free World and not reap the whirlwind.


Please cite your sources for your borderline slanderous statement about Senator Clinton. Also please state the acts Clinton passed that weakened the CIA. For extra credit, please look up on the acts President Bush past at the beginning of his term that dealt with the CIA. From your statements, you may will be surprised at the results.

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If you think Bush is a Fundamentalist, you are further out of you're minds than I thouhght you were.  Just because he admits to praying for guidance doesn't make him a Fundie Wacko.  It marks him a good Christian.

You idiots spew that word like it's a curse.  Do not DARE to compare him to the likes of OBL or Saddam.


He is a fundamentalist Christian, whose policies are theocratic in basis, the marriage act he wishes to pass reflects this let alone the faith based initiatives he has attempted to pass before. Theocratic policies in a nation that states in its constitution to not have a state religion is an act against the intent of the law.

Also, please refrain from calling people here idiots. No one here in this thread has called you an idiot, there have been some sarcastic comments, but no reason to insult anyone.

One final statement, who do you wish Bush to be compared to? Jesus? Ghandi? Caesar? Or perhaps King John of England would be a better man to compare him to...
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Theocratic policies in a nation that states in its constitution to not have a state religion is an act against the intent of the law.
Show me where in the Constitution it says that?

Hell I'll get the First admendment for you.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
It seems to me that, ppl seem so eager to cry First Admendment when they want to say whatever they want, but when I want to worship God somehow, it's Seperation of church and state.

Anyway back to topic. It says that they connot make one religion "king" but they can't restrict one either. IIRC the faith based stuff bush was pushing included muslims, not sure though.

But still the government shouldn't be messing with charity, that's the job of the ppl.




You know, no one seems to be responding to this:
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As for truth, just by responding and even having an opinion, you are saying what you think is truth. Therefor you are just as bigoted as I am.
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Originally posted by Liberator
BY GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY ON THE EARTH AND IN IT AS WELL!


Dude, by this time, we all know that you're Christian. No need to remind us.

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I want you small-minded, hateful bastards to stop and bloody well THINK about what kind of situation you'd be in if Bill and his pet witch had been in charge or, God above help us, Al "I am tree" Gore.


See above. And lay down on the religious insult (the witch thing). Wicca,for example, is as much of a religion than christianism. Liberty of cult. You know, this little thing that say that you can pray like you want as far as it doesn't disturb other people ?

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Bush is far from perfect, but he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan.

For the record, Clinton was more interested in getting his socks blown, and then lying about it while his witch, Hillary, was communicating with former first ladies ghosts.  It is Clinton policies that led to 9/11 by weakening the CIA and leading OBL to think he could strike against the Free World and not reap the whirlwind.



It sure can't be the connection between the Bush and Bin Laden family. See "Dude, where's my country". I'm too lazy to copy/paste all the refernce given by Moore in his book that prove this fact.

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Get your heads out of the sand, and realize that President George W. Bush is a great man and a great American.



Sure. He only created the biggest deficit ever seen, managed to get your country into two different war without managing to at least make theses countries more stable - say what you want, they lived in terror, but it was more stable under Saddam -, cut your freedom at large - Patriot Act,and then he says that he wants to free other country :eek2:  -, and so much more.

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If you think Bush is a Fundamentalist, you are further out of you're minds than I thouhght you were.  Just because he admits to praying for guidance doesn't make him a Fundie Wacko.  It marks him a good Christian.



But him admitting being a Born Again Christian is. Especially when one of the goals of these christian is to annihilate Islam at large ( monthly "Mother Jones" magazine as source for that).
Religious war = Fundamentalism.

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You idiots spew that word like it's a curse.  Do not DARE to compare him to the likes of OBL or Saddam. [/B]


Only similarity between those two is that they were both backrolled by America at their beginning. Saddam was a non-religious tyran, and Bin let it said many times that he would gladly get ride of his presence in Middle-Orient.
And for many of us, fundamentalism IS a curse word. it curses you to spout non-logical, non researched argument :D .
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Show me where in the Constitution it says that?


Yes the first ammendment - "Congrees shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" - this is known as the seperation between church and state.  Yes bush has viiolated it in essence and in fact



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Anyway back to topic. It says that they connot make one religion "king" but they can't restrict one either. IIRC the faith based stuff bush was pushing included muslims, not sure though.


it absolutely did not, nor did it include buddhists, hindus, taoist, pagans, wiccans, ad nauseum



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But still the government shouldn't be messing with charity, that's the job of the ppl.


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I want you small-minded, hateful bastards to stop and bloody well THINK about what kind of situation you'd be in if Bill and his pet witch had been in charge or, God above help us, Al "I am tree" Gore.

You know, every day that Bush is in the White House, I think about the kind of sitatuion my nation would be in if it were Gore or even Clinton in the White House. We'd still be in Afghanistan, that's for certain. We would not have lost 581 American soldiers lives in Iraq though. We'd still have the world's good will and friendship. We wouldn't be in the largest, fastest growing deficit in the history of the country.

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Bush is far from perfect, but he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan.

Absolutely! You know, corporations haven't had it this good since the good old Reaganomics days! Supply side and trickle down economics absolutely rock for putting more and more priveleges and rights into the hands of corporate barons, whilst putting the peasants in their place. I mean, what if Clinton were in power? That man actually had the economy growing for eight straight years!

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It is Clinton policies that led to 9/11 by weakening the CIA and leading OBL to think he could strike against the Free World and not reap the whirlwind.

You know your religion says that lying is a sin, right? First of all, Clinton set up the most effective antiterrorism operation this nation has ever seen in the wake of the FIRST attack on the World Trade Center. He went after Bin-Laden during his presidency, unlike Bush I and Reagan, both of whom FUNDED Bin-Laden. Bush II gutted the Clinton era antiterrorism program as one of his first acts in the White House after he was appointed. This is all verifiable fact in the public record.

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Get your heads out of the sand, and realize that President George W. Bush is a great man and a great American.

As veteran, I've seen sand. When were YOU in the desert serving your country? Speak up, I can't hear you? Soldiers and sailors can't afford to have their heads in the sand, because its OUR lives that get put in on the line when deserters like Bush decide they need to play soldier. Any man that can't manage to serve his country honestly and faithfully, like I did, doesn't get to be called a 'great man'. Any man who lies to take the country into war cannot be called a 'great man'. Sorry to break it to you.

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If you think Bush is a Fundamentalist, you are further out of you're minds than I thouhght you were.  Just because he admits to praying for guidance doesn't make him a Fundie Wacko.  It marks him a good Christian.

Funny, he claims to be a fundamentalist christian. Maybe you should take it up with him.

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You idiots spew that word like it's a curse.  Do not DARE to compare him to the likes of OBL or Saddam.

First, the name calling is getting tired. Lay off.
Second, Hussein is not a religious fundamentalist. He was secular nationalist.
I could draw parallels between Bush and Hussein on the basis of them both lying to their people, sending men to their deaths for personal aggrandizement or robbing their respective nations blind, for example.

The only link I can find between Bin Laden and Bush is that they both send their country men to get themselves killed, whilst sitting back and watching other men do things they themselves have never had the courage or convictions to do. Bin-Laden and Bush send men out to kill themselves or get killed. Neither Bush or Bin-Laden ever bothered putting their lives on the line for the things they profess to believe in.
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Show me where in the Constitution it says that?

Hell I'll get the First admendment for you.
 It seems to me that, ppl seem so eager to cry First Admendment when they want to say whatever they want, but when I want to worship God somehow, it's Seperation of church and state.

Anyway back to topic. It says that they connot make one religion "king" but they can't restrict one either. IIRC the faith based stuff bush was pushing included muslims, not sure though.

But still the government shouldn't be messing with charity, that's the job of the ppl.

You know, no one seems to be responding to this:


Actually, his faith based initiatives were declared "non-demoninational" but were still Christian, IIRC.

You also just validated my statement about seperation of church and state, through policies such as the marriage act Bush is holding his religious values over others in the US culture.

You would clearly disagree with Bush and declare him a theocrat if he was an American Muslim and was trying to push through polygamy as an ammendment to the constitution. (Of course, in defense of American Muslims, most don't have multiple marriages)

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As for truth, just by responding and even having an opinion, you are saying what you think is truth. Therefor you are just as bigoted as I am.


There is a difference between opinions and truths. I am stating my opinion, I am not declaring it the truth.
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You also just validated my statement about seperation of church and state, through policies such as the marriage act Bush is holding his religious values over others in the US culture.
Well then what set of ideal are we going to use as the basis for our laws?

Where do ppl get the idea that marriage is totally a Biblical thing? Is it because it's in the bible that you are against an admendment defining marriage? If so the bible also talks about murder, stealing, and other criminal activity. Should we declare the laws concerning them unconstitutional?

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You would clearly disagree with Bush and declare him a theocrat if he was an American Muslim and was trying to push through polygamy as an ammendment to the constitution. (Of course, in defense of American Muslims, most don't have multiple marriages)
First off I doubt a muslim would be elected to to the presidency anytime soon. And yes I would if he was. And yes, I am supporting him and it because of my beliefs.

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There is a difference between opinions and truths. I am stating my opinion, I am not declaring it the truth.
No, there is no difference! By stating opinions you are declaring what you believe to be truth.
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no you are stateing what you beleve, you are not stating that you could not posably be wrong
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no you are stateing what you beleve, you are not stating that you could not posably be wrong
Then are you saying that you could be wrong about anything?

So lets bring that into the gay marriage debate. Are you saying that you could be wrong about gay marriages being ok?
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Hotsnoj: Look up the differences between moral absolutism, relativism, subjectivist morality, and utilitarianism. Do it now. Until then, do not talk. This is a direct order.

If anybody has enough free time to sit here and walk you through the basics of philosophy while you try and fumble around to "prove" that you are right and everyone else is wrong and it's just that nobody else has ever thought of that in the history of man because you're a frickin' genius or something, they need to get a ****ing life and I'm not going to encourage that sort of timewasting. Do some bloody research on your own. The arguments you're trying to pose here were settled hundreds of years ago, basically nothing new has been offered to them since.
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it's posable,
but I don't think I am,
if I thought I was wrong I wouldn't be thinking the thing I thought was wrong but rather something diferent that was corect, or at least what I thought was corect
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