[mikhael]

The mind of the modern human being is a wonderfully dark place.

You know, I play a game--almost daily. I plot ways to kill people. I ponder ways to rob banks. I have plotted out truly sick things.

Could I rob a bank and get away with it? I think I could.  I've been the systems admnistrator and database administrator and sole security administrator on more payroll systems than I like to think. How easy would it have been for me to give myself a raise, or shift around fractional pennies? When you control the system AND the system's logging facilities, its not hard to cover tracks. Hell, when I worked at the university, I could have given myself a bachelor's degree in just about anything I wanted.

When I think about some of the truly sick thoughts that go through my head, and the opportunities I've had to act on those thoughts, I have to laugh at your thesis, an0n. People don't have to act on their thoughts, ever. We're able to say no to them, and go on being civilized. We don't even need consequences to convince us to say no.

[Kazan]

an0n refuses to see the possibilities for abuses of the system because "IT HELPZ DA CHILLEN!!!"

[Woolie Wool]

HAW HAW HAW! It must suck to be that fool.

[mikhael]

**** the children.

That's exactly what you're doing when you start going after people who think 'bad thoughs'. I don't know a male on the planet that hasn't had a rape fantasy at least once. I don't know anyone that hasn't thought of murdering someone.

Going after people because of things they think and fantasize about (but don't actually do) is the antithesis of freedom.

[Woolie Wool]

But lusting after CHILDREN? That's just...perverted. I would consider people with rape fantasies less disturbing than pedophiles because they're FAR less likely to act on those fantasies.

Besides, rape is not so much about sex to rapists as it is about having power over the victim or just being sadistic. It's often more of an assault than a crime with really sexual motives.

[aldo_14]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3495395.stm

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
But lusting after CHILDREN? That's just...perverted. I would consider people with rape fantasies less disturbing than pedophiles because they're FAR less likely to act on those fantasies.

I don't care who or what you lust after. What you do in your mind, or in fantasy, or online is your bloody business. I know people that get off on fantasies of wallowing the bloody remains of their lovers. Sick? Absolutely.

Illegal? Absolutely not.

Besides, rape is not so much about sex to rapists as it is about having power over the victim or just being sadistic. It's often more of an assault than a crime with really sexual motives.

You're confounding the ACT of rape with the FANTASY of rape. Rape fantasy is usually sexual and dominance/power driven, whereas the rape act is almost always, as you said, power driven. However, studies have shown that rape crimes very seldom have anything to do with sadism (fewer than 5% of reported rapes according to a book I read recently).

[an0n]

The ONLY thing that keeps people from committing any 'questionable' act is the consequences.

Regardless of how noble and superior you think yourselves to be able to entrench such horrible acts purely in your mind, there is no nobility, no honor, no superiority in your reasoning. You do it simply and purely because you fear the consequences. You do it because to not do it would bring your life into jeopardy.

To put it simply: Power corrupts.

And as long as people are given ANY degree of power, no matter how small or universally granted, be it money or authority or even just physical strenght, there should be the fear that even thinking about doing something as vile as ****ing a kid could result in the most horrific consequences the human mind can comprehend.

an0n refuses to see the possibilities for abuses of the system because "IT HELPZ DA CHILLEN!!!"

I don't refuse to see it, I welcome it.

And not just to 'help da chillen', but because it is the great leveller. It's a way to pit the spiteful against the powerful and the sick against the righteous.

The only reason someone would abuse such a system is because they fail to see the consequences, because they believe they are above retaliation. But they are not.

If you **** with someone using PeeJ, they will most assuredly **** with you. And someone with nothing to lose is a very dangerous person indeed.

[Rictor]

Who are you and what have you done with an0n?

[an0n]

I incapacitated him with sugar.

That part of this brain is currently occupied thinking about Honorverse in a whir of technicoloured, blurry bubbliness.

[Kazan]

an0n: so you like the idea that the system can be abused to frame people?

let me generate some condemning chatlogs of you and submit them - you deserve the raping you'll get - even if you're falsely accused

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let me get something across to you RETARD - My [future] sister-in-law's husband lost his job because his BROTHER used _HIS_ computer to download child porno - The cops even busted the right guy in the end, but it still hung over Paul's head in the sight of his employeers and his job stayed lost.

Now that was in scotland - here in the states it's even worse because the media circus that happens over "internet preditor's" and the puritanical vigilantes and the gun wielding neoconservatives.  

Your life is over if you're accused of being a paedophile - WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT.

[an0n]

That explains .

[Zarax]

I stand with Kazan, you do not have any idea of how the human mind can conceive ways to damage the others.
You talked about power... Isn't that the power of ruining a person's life in a decisive and permanent way?
Hell, there's almost nothing as easy as disguising yourself as being someone else on the internet, you can easily **** off everyone this way...
The damnable witch hunt system has always caused more damage than benefits into the whole history, starting with the church and going through mccarthism in the last century...

[Kazan]

an0n: yeah, that some of us go beyond realizing that it's a possibility and know it's a REALITY that people get falsely accused of ****.

[an0n]

Yeah. That.

[Grey Wolf]

I remember reading something in the local newspaper a while back.  A man and his wife had a daughter. Their daughter grew into a teenager.  She went online.  She found a chatroom.  The chatroom was full of people who said they were molested at a young age.  The parents found out and told her not to. She did it anyway. You know what she did after they found out and stripped her of her computer priveleges?

She accused her father of raping her from when she was one until the age of ten.  Social Services took her away. Her parents were put on the registry of sex offenders.

None of it was true.  She admitted it during psychiatric counseling. 11 months later, they managed to regain custody. They're still on the sex offender registry.

This is an example of why you shouldn't believe all allegations.

[Kazan]

yep - basically that same thing happened to a good friend of my fathers - very cool guy at that


you want to know one of the strange ways that DHS has of "determining" if you're a preditor - they hook a device up to your wang that measures arousal and they show you pornography - NOT KIDDIE PORN - normal porn.  If you get aroused your'e a preditor!

STUPID

[an0n]

Jesus Christ, I must be the biggest paedophile ever.

*reads Kazan's post*




Anyway: I think it's safe to assume that anyone getting a boner while a group of scientists are stood around, staring at their mecha-enhanced wang and taking readings of the current flowing through it is slightly wierd.

[Kazan]

they leave you alone in the room - the sensors can tell if you remove them and they come in and then you're automatically guilty

[an0n]

I would SOOO **** with them.

They'd come back in and I'd be like "Got anything with midgets and horses?"