[Drew]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/20/weu20.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/20/ixworld.html



yay, censorship

[Rictor]

Fook. Thats about all I can think to say as at this point.

I'm suire Bob or Tin Can or someone will be along shortly to tell us how we're all being paranoid and ought to trust the government. They'll then make sarcastic remarks, telling us to put on our tinfoil hats and hide under a desk. If its Bob, he'll probably use incorrect spelling, type all in caps and throw in plenty of exclamation point which will then degenerate into 1s, in an attempt to portray just how panicy and misguided we really are. I'm a clair****ingvoyant.

[Drew]

then watch mik change the subject to haliburton co.

[Knight Templar]

That was a bit preemptive. And Unnecesary.

Something Bob might appreciate actually.

*runs*

[Flaser]

At least he was defended by the ombudsman - and the press cast light on the issue. This means there's a chance that things would improove.

I must agree though on the paranoid issue - but I must say it's not that much of an issue as you would think. Since I already saw somewhat how a goverment works from the inside (it's somewhat like a club in your highschool/university) things like this aren't so much a suprise.

[Drew]

but it should be a suprise. When i read the First Amendment, i know i should not be afraid of the government when i speak against it.

[Bobboau]

story:

other people:

I thought Europe didn't have that sort of thing, only in America would the evil government smack down upon innocent jornolists.
being that I am totaly ignorant of this situation and this is the first I've ever heard of this guy I'm not going to jump to conclusions (that being that Europe is a ****ing haven of the corupt politition), but if that article is acurate it sound as though you all have a little problem on your hands. good thing I live in a contry were things like that never happen, that overtly.

!!!!!!!111111

[vyper]

To the UK Govt. : Would someone please get US THE **** OUT OF THIS TREATY(s) (e.g. EU constitution etc) before our rights are well and truly raped?

[Rictor]

Well, its not just in the EU or just in America. The concept of censorship is one that runs directly contrary to a democratic system, and any country which practices it can not hold itself to be a democratic one. In America, there is more self censorship going on, so the need rarely arises to smack down someone like this.

But I can think of two recent reports which the Bush administration has tried and/or succeded in killing. One is a report to the media on the human costs of the war in Iraq. This report was simply canceled. The other is the 9/11 report, which I think even the staunchest Bush supporter can agree is being drowned in red tape in hopes that it will never see the light of day.

I have a sincere question for all the Bushies on this board. I don't want an arguement, I really am genuinly interested.

The question is, why do you think its OK for Bush to try to censor and limit the 9/11 inquiry? By my logic, when Bush tries to prevent the 9/11 panel from doing its job, which is to find out exactly who knew what and when, then alarm bells start going off in my head. To me, its is totally obvious that is someone tries to censor a report, that means that that person will be implicated negatively in that report. What I want to know is how, given the same starting evidence (Bush trying to censor the report), you arrive at a different conclusion than mine.

[Bobboau]

the thing is it's not that it's OK or not, it's that there is no frek'n chance of a cube of dry ice in the deepest pits of hell that it would be unbiased and/or useful in anyway,
if republicans are runing it, I can tell you what it'll say:
"Bush did everything in his power to stop 9/11 but his valiant efforts failed becase of evil anti-american democratic cutting of intelegence agencies, God bless GW Bush, and god bless the gorius Republican party!"
if the demacrats run it:
"the illigitimately selected current head of the executave branch of our government failed miserably to stop the islamic militants from atacking on 9/11 despite nummerus warnings an declaritive evedence of it happening, also we have found that Bush eats babies"
see there is no way that any of the internal reviews will be anything other than a political game by who ever runs it.

[Bobboau]

I posted this elsewere but I think it's apropriate here too

[Flipside]

Heh, the hard part would be NOT finding corruption in the EU, he must feel like a kid in a candyshop The same is, in fact, true of any of the financial 'superpowers', the people in charge are those who tell the biggest whoppers, be they political or commercial, and manage not to get 'too' caught.

[Bobboau]

it's not finding coruption that's hard it's finding the biggest coruption, there is a lot of sorting to do and if you pick the wrong lead you end up finding some little pidly thing and missing the 'I'll give you 200 million and you give gore -11,000 votes '

[Drew]

Originally posted by Bobboau
*snip*

what bob is trying to say is, it is impossible to find any pice of data that isnt effected by bias.

rictor, could u please supply us with a little more data?
Mainly, what the hell are you talking about?

[Bobboau]

it was more like, it's imposable for our government to self regulate it's self, so criticiseing when someone within the government trys to much it up is like puting someone in jail for crualy to animals for beating a dead horse.

[Drew]

thats why america is a republic. the government only has the power *we* give it.

[Liberator]

If only that were true...

We do give the g'ment power, the more they scare us, the more we give them.  In fact it's the reason why America is turning into a Welfare State.  People are too poorly educated to get good paying jobs, and if they earn too much they get their g'ment check cut.  The System is literally paying people to stay unemployed.  It's degenerated to the point where the social stigma of being unemployed is evaporating.

*note*
This in no way differs with my stance as a conservative, we are Primarily in favor of shrinking Government.  The System is out of control and broken.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Liberator
If only that were true...

We do give the g'ment power, the more they scare us, the more we give them.  In fact it's the reason why America is turning into a Welfare State.  People are too poorly educated to get good paying jobs, and if they earn too much they get their g'ment check cut.  The System is literally paying people to stay unemployed.  It's degenerated to the point where the social stigma of being unemployed is evaporating.

it is true. unfortunatly it shows what kind of people we, in general, are.

[Liberator]

In point of fact we are a Republic in name only, we ceased being one the very moment we could vote for our own entitlements.

[Drew]

our system isnt in that bad of shape, compared to the EU and other systems.