[Liberator]

Originally posted by Kazan
there is a difference between being "bitter" and knowing what the **** you're talking about - you made an incorrect statement, spewed lies directly from the mouths of m$ and their lackies [zarax], that irks me.   There is a large difference between being bitter and knowing what you're talking about

I agree, but it wasn't that you weren't correct, it was your tone.  Microsoft sucks monkey balls, but their software has sold literally millions of copies.  It may suck, but most people don't care because it does what it is supposed to, bloatware or not.  If you hate them for being successful, I suggest you write a replacement for windows and office and then sell it.  People use Microsoft products because unlike us, the pathetic few, they don't have the time or inclination to ***** about how poorly designed the code is, all they care about is wheter it works or not.

[Bobboau]

someone needs to learn how to make an idiot shell for Linux

[Kazan]

liberator still misses the point

i do not hate anyone for being successful you ****ing twit

I hate people who ABUSE THEIR CUSTOMERS, make INFERIOR PRODUCTS, etc - and since they managed to manuver themselves into a monopoly they get away with that crap


There is a replacement for windows out there - many of them, and open office needs a few bugfixes and it's made


"Whether it works or not" - well it _DOESN'T_ it costs us BILLIONS of dollars each year to deal with it's bugs that get exploited - bugs that shouldn't have been there in the first damn place.


Liberator - you're so out of your realm of knowledge right now that you have no room talking in this thread at all.

[Bobboau]

read

when you are done (and it will take at least three days) come back.
then Kazan won't be able to say you'r ignorant,
he'll probly swich to stupid at that point

[Shrike]

I find myself completely uncaring.

Next time you imply something will be funny, make sure it is.

[Liberator]

Kaz, I'm not defending them, but I'm not going marginalize the few things they do well as you seem so willing to do.  

Yes, Windows has a lot of bugs.  Yes, they shouldn't be there, and if MS was the company it needs to be, they'd fix them and release software without bugs from now on.

But, Office is a  suite that is good at it's purpose, you can whine and ***** about this bug or that bug, but that doesn't change the fact that MS products outsell everything else because they are easy to use and get a product out of.  You don't have to take a class or classes  to learn how to work Word or Excel.

If you want to change it so bad, get a job at MS and make it better, don't just ***** for the sake of it.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Liberator
I didn't say they were good, just that they make everybody else work harder.

Monopoly involves exactly the opposite of that, actually.

[Liberator]

But in this case, it is true.  MS is not actively squashing it's competitors like Novell or Sun, but the oerwhelming presence of MS causes it's competitors to examine Office or IE and make their product better to compete.

[Nico]

Problem is, MS doesn't need to squash them, coz about nobody uses anything else than windows ( linux aside ). The others can work as much as they want, they'll always get a niche place. And that results in MS themselves doing crap at "working better" ( ok, that's unfair there, I do admit XP is a huge improvement over the previous series, but I wonder how the next one will be, one breakthrough every 7 years -Win95 -> WinXP  is NOT enough for me ).

[delta_7890]

Meh.  XP works fairly well for me.  I can't complain too badly.

[demon442]

The thing is, with the bugs and security flaws issue, Microsoft's private beta testing team surely reports the multitude of these flaws, but Gates and his marketing team want to push out 'the-next-big-thing' as soon as they can.  Thus, very little time is set aside for fixing gaping holes and most dont get patched before thesoftware is put ingo production.

The Answer:  Public Beta Testing over 10-14 months on Longhorn or Office 2xxx.  I think that we all can agree that at least some of the major stuff will be fixed in that time.

[aldo_14]

Looks good for ski-ing, dunnit?

Oh, yes, and the background; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3563697.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3560537.stm (less specific)

EU is also threatening trade sanctions against the US to protest against illegal (according to the WTO) tax breaks to large companies like M$, because it constitutes governmental funding.

IIRC Sun also has a multi-billion dollar lawsuit against M$ for illegal modifications to the JVM and certain restrictive policies intended to impinge upon Javas' cross-platform compatibility.  I think they've already won a case against M$ for illegally distributing a JVM version that would only run on Windows - i.e. which forced windows specific bytecode compilers.

[Kazan]

if liberator were to stop making ignorant/stupid/naive comments he wouldn't raise my ire

[Fineus]

Can you guys just once have a thread about Microsoft / Politics / Religion / other that I don't have to lock because of peoples attitudes and unneeded comments?

Seriously, this is getting very boring. Change the ****ing record.