[Knight Templar]

Battle of Deneb

[Liberator]

The Battle of Midway, the greatest Naval engagement in modern history.  The tide of the Pacific theatre turned in this battle.

The Defense of Bastogne(sp?) by the 101st Airborne division against almost continuous German attacks and their subsequent rescue by 3rd Army under Patton.

[Rictor]

Battle of Kar Dathra's Gate.



and who are you calling revisionist? The Russian front inflicted way more casualties on the Germans than the Western Front. Next to Germany, Russia was the big bad bruiser of WW2.

[Ghostavo]

Battle of Aljubarrota - A battle against the spanish anexation of Portugal in which the portuguese army managed to beat the oposing army which was 5 times larger due to the skills of Nuno Álvares Pereira. (1383)

[Mr Carrot]

Theres more to war then pure casualties, WW2 more than any was a war of economics, even the British outproduced Germany after 2 years of war.

Again im not saying that Stalingrad wasnt important but to call it THE turning point of WW2 when the Germans lost MORE at El Alamein (earlier in the war) and the standing army of their primary European ally is wrong.

[Setekh]

Salamis.

Trafalgar.

Sea battles rock.

[Fineus]

Buffy vs The First (real ultimate evil).

[Stunaep]

Erm, no-one has mentioned the battle of Thermopylae yet? 300 Greeks against ~1 million persians.

[diamondgeezer]

Thunder Child takes on three Fighting Machines. Best battle EVAR

[aldo_14]

Battle of Bannockburn

Where a vastly outnumbered (by around 3 to 1), but better organized, Scottish army defeated the English outside Stirling castle.

Encounter of Bruce and De Bohun The main bulk of the English van had crossed the Bannock Burn and taken up position facing The Bruce's division. A young English Knight, one Henry De Bohun, spotted a lone figure riding back and forth along the Scots lines. Moving closer, he noticed that the man carried no crest upon his helmet, but a crown. Seeing that it was none other than King Robert himself, Bohun realised in his quest for glory, that he could end the battle in one go.

Moving from the English lines De Bohun, fully armoured and riding a heavy cavalry horse urged his beast to a gallop, and lowering his lance he aimed straight for the King. Robert, armed only with a battle axe and on a smaller horse, held his ground however until the last second. Just before De Bohun hit him, Robert quickly moved his horse aside and in one blow split open both the young knight's with his battle axe.

The Scots gave a sigh of relief, many shouting about how senseless Robert had been in endangering not only his own life but the future of their cause. The King however replied only with a complaint to the fact that he had broken the shaft of his favourite axe, which rather annoyed him.

http://home.gci.net/~airloom/bannockburn.htm

[Stunaep]

Oh yeah, and while we're at it, the Battle of Stalingrad.

Of course, the Russians could have won it with three times less casualties, hadn't there been a moron of a military commander, but hey, the did win it.

[Singh]

Battle of Midway.

No doubt about it. Had the americans lost the battle of midway, the Japanese had the oppurtunity and capability to go all the way to Hawaii. Imagine what a red island just off the coast of the US would have done to morale? I doubt enough funds would be available to fund the Manhattan project or end the war in there favour.

Otherwise, I'd say just about any other battle out there. D-Day, although important, was not too important. A loss there would have resulted in a second-order counterfractual, according to some historians.

[karajorma]

Anything with Alexander the Great in it

[Gloriano]

Originally posted by karajorma
Anything with Alexander the Great in it

Agreed:)

[Janos]

Seelow, April 1945.

A prelude for invasion of Berlin, Germany's last true attempt to halt the Shi-- Russian advance. Do I need to tell more?

[Nico]

Originally posted by Stunaep
Oh yeah, and while we're at it, the Battle of Stalingrad.

Of course, the Russians could have won it with three times less casualties, hadn't there been a moron of a military commander, but hey, the did win it.

The fact that the nazi had tanks and planes, and the russians did not, might have helped the mount of causlties, too

[Janos]

Originally posted by Nico


The fact that the nazi had tanks and planes, and the russians did not, might have helped the mount of causlties, too

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Nico


The fact that the nazi had tanks and planes, and the russians did not, might have helped the mount of causlties, too

Interestingly enough, at the beginning of the war, the russians had 12 times (12!) the tanks Germany had and 3 times as much planes.

Of course, for some reason they decided to build their airfields 50 km from the border, and order their troops not to retaliate against attacks. So most of their airfields were leveled in the first few days of the war

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Stunaep


Interestingly enough, at the beginning of the war, the russians had 12 times (12!) the tanks Germany had and 3 times as much planes.

Of course, for some reason they decided to build their airfields 50 km from the border, and order their troops not to retaliate against attacks. So most of their airfields were leveled in the first few days of the war

IIRc by the time the tide turned (the retaking of Stalingrad), the russians were producing 4 times the number of tanks (etc) the Nazis were, too.

[Stunaep]

They were, which again shows, that if the leader of the military had been someone competent, aside from Marshal Zhukov and co. the war would have been won a lot faster, with a lot less casualties.

Whether that would have been a good thing or not, is another matter entirely.