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Offline Trivial Psychic

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Howdy All:

I tried to Mantis this, but for some reason when I tried to commit the post, it would always tell me "document contains no data".  Is that Mantis' way of saying I'm too long-winded or that the image I was including was too big?

Anyway, I'll post this here.  I've been having this problem with FS2 for as long as I can remember... even way back in Retail, though considerably less frequently.  For this reason, I'm sure I'm not the only person to ever encouter this, but I haven't seen any posts regarding it so I'll continue.  First, here's the image:



Note the vertical color bars that have entirely taken over one of the nebula background (.pcx) images, the similar effect on the Orion textures with partial tranlucency (you can see though the ship), and the same effect with some of the HUD.  For the HUD, note that I've blurred the directives, ship names and class designations, for campaign secrecy.  This bug usualy happens when a mission has many background textures and is very dynamic.  This kind of thing is quite common for me in full nebula missions, which is quite annoying.  Pretty much anything that uses a textures is subject to this bug, but sometimes I can go through a mission with only one nebula texture being affacted and nothing else.  The only way I've found to correct this bug, is to pause the game, alt-tab to the desktop, then return to the game and resume.  This will reset the affected textures, but it won't prevent the problem from occuring again.  If not corrected in this fashion, more textures are likely to screw up in this manner.

I searched Mantis for any similar posts (under keyword "graphics") but the closest thing I found was a reference in bug147.  Also, I have encountered bug147 (assuming I'm understanding the account correctly) and I've found that my corrective action from the color bar texture bug (pause, alt-tab, return, resume) seems to do the trick for this as well.

This bug seems more common under HTL, though I started using Lightspeed's new 32-bit TGA graphics around the same time, so it may be the increased system strain caused by the them and not HTL.

My system specs are:

AMD-800 (200 bus)
256MB SDRAM-133
ASUS V7100 GF2MX 32MB AGP, any drivers
WinME

Later!
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Offline Bobboau

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256MB + WinME
ouch, get more memory :)

we should probly find some way to see if a texture get's fubared and if it does reload it,
it looks like you'r running out of memory
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Offline Trivial Psychic

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[rant on personal life]
I'm a little leary of getting more RAM at this point, since (if certain job-related things get resolved) I might end up doing a system overhaul and going to a P4 or AMD-64 based system with DDR(2) RAM, and such SDRAM wouldn't be transferable.  In fact, switching up to a new vid card (somewhere in the R9600XT-128 range is what I'm looking at right now) is higher up on the list right now, since something like that could be transfered to the upgraded system.  Unfortunately, since I work in retail my pay has been cut considerably (post Xmas drop in hours), so paying rent and phone/net and VISA bills are at the top of the list right now.  Hopefully there will be a reversal of this soon.
[/rant on personal life]

Thanks!

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Offline Bobboau

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but RAM's cheap, and is probly a bigger botle neck than your current video card (if you were to get a card just a bit higher on the scale than you'r looking you'd have as much video ram as you do main physical ram, there's got to be something wrong with that)
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I don't think he means normal system ram.  I have 256MB of ram as well and this has NEVER happened to me.  In fact, when I was using a GF2mx 32MB, this never happened still...

I don't like to say it's winME's fault, but considering the specs that yopu posted, that's the only part that's significantly different from my old rig (on which I ran win98se and winxp before).

 

Offline RandomTiger

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Try lowering your texture detail in the freespace options.
If the bug doesnt happen then its due to low texture mem.

Bob, zarax's problem is not due to low VRAM or system ram.
Better to not assume, I think there is another bug still in there that is causing stuff like this for low spec cards.

 

Offline RandomTiger

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Also check if the problem happens with -nohtl flag

 

Offline RandomTiger

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If it doesnt then its likely to be the same problem that zarax is having

 

Offline Zeronet

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It looks sorta cool.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
It looks sorta cool.


That ain't no bug, It's an ondocumented feature!!!
:nod:

how many times has that little excuse been used?
:doubt:
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Offline Kazan

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Originally posted by kasperl



how many times has that little excuse been used?
:doubt:


/me looks up the latest microsoft hotfix number



it's probably Win ME -- KILL IT
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well, that is a bit rigorous, you know.....
just another newbie without any modding, FREDding or real programming experience

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Offline Zarax

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Holy... that's exactly what happens when i use OGL in a nebula...
It is definitely NOT Win ME...
Damn... I hoped that it wouldn't show up with an HTL card...
Ok, we can add GF2mx to the unlucky cards list...
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But up until january of this year, I was using a GF2mx 32MB card....

 

Offline Zarax

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Well, by coincidence the problems did not show up until january, you know...
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