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Offline Liberator

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Are you serious?


Quite.

What Bob said is absolutly true.  I understand that most teachers are underpaid, but I also see administration at the county and state levels that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars and then they go fishing everyday, not doing anything to earn their exhorbitant salary.

I want to highlight one phrase from Mr. Jefferson's divinely inspired document:
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...the pursuit of happiness...

The only guarantee that the Government you all seem so willing to let make all your most intimate decisions is allowed to make is that it's citizens are allowed to work toward(ie pursue) happiness in life.  They cannot guarantee hapiness itself, be it through "free" services.  

Education is reqired for everybody to have the same shot at happiness, to not hold certain segments of society to the same standard of performance is a disservice, to both parties.  The standard is not overly high, it is in fact quite low as to what is needed in today's world.  Everybody should be able to meet it regardless of creed or most especially color.


And as far as "Diversity Studies" goes, I speak from a position of some knowledge.  My sister is studying to be a special education teacher.  She is forced to sit through class with an instructor who continously berates his class for being caucation and tells them how racist they are.  It is abhorent to me that she be forced to sit there and taught that she should treat her future black students differently just because they are black.
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The only guarantee that the Government you all seem so willing to let make all your most intimate decisions is allowed to make is that it's citizens are allowed to work toward(ie pursue) happiness in life.  They cannot guarantee hapiness itself, be it through "free" services.  

Why do the services have to be free? Australia's socialized medical system isn't free, and they do get a choice as to who their doctors are. The government doesn't provide the service free, nor do they "make all your most intimate decisions". Crazy but true! There's more than one way to do it! WOW! SHOCK! HORROR!

See, we pay these things called taxes (well, you do unless you're rich, then you use these things called loopholes and tax shelters and basically get government services for free because you didn't pay for them). These taxes aren't meant to be funneled off into corporate cofferes, enriching government lackeys at the expense of the people. No, these taxes that most of use pay are for the government to spend on taking care of the people (you know, government of the people, for the people, by the people) of the country.

People shouldn't get free handouts. Neither should they get forgotten by the government that supposedly serves and represents them.
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Offline Grey Wolf

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you know, I went to two publick schools and one privite (highschool) (dad had to take on a second job to aford it, he is BTW a teacher). I can tell you there was a huge diference between the atatudes of both the students and the teachers, I went from all Fs all the time (especaly in english and math) to makeing the upper 10th percentile in the local colage entry tests (in math and science, my english skills still suck, as some of you may have notised, I'm dyslexic BTW). the biggest diference I saw was probly in the students, the four years I went to that school I didn't have to spend every moment of every day watching out for some atack, I wasn't in constant fear for my safety.
That's also the advantage of poor, rural public schools. Sure our foods horrible, and sure our facilities our for the most part outdated (not to mention the plumbing), but you don't have to worry about some kid smuggling a gun in.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.


wtf mik? the Decleration of independance dosnt have any bindy effect on the laws of this country. Those words arnt in the constitution, and they have little to no effect (except for a few court cases) on our laws. If you wanted to push that line, use the "promote the general welfare" caluse *In the actual constitution* instead.
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Offline Rictor

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Originally posted by Liberator


Quite.

What Bob said is absolutly true.  I understand that most teachers are underpaid, but I also see administration at the county and state levels that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars and then they go fishing everyday, not doing anything to earn their exhorbitant salary.

I want to highlight one phrase from Mr. Jefferson's divinely inspired document:
 
The only guarantee that the Government you all seem so willing to let make all your most intimate decisions is allowed to make is that it's citizens are allowed to work toward(ie pursue) happiness in life.  They cannot guarantee hapiness itself, be it through "free" services.  

Education is reqired for everybody to have the same shot at happiness, to not hold certain segments of society to the same standard of performance is a disservice, to both parties.  The standard is not overly high, it is in fact quite low as to what is needed in today's world.  Everybody should be able to meet it regardless of creed or most especially color.


And as far as "Diversity Studies" goes, I speak from a position of some knowledge.  My sister is studying to be a special education teacher.  She is forced to sit through class with an instructor who continously berates his class for being caucation and tells them how racist they are.  It is abhorent to me that she be forced to sit there and taught that she should treat her future black students differently just because they are black.


1. If there is a course such as Diversity Studies, it sounds like bull**** to me. However, since I have never encountered a course such as this, could you please tell me what that course entails. In any case, I find it very hard to believe that the professor berates the class for being white. Sorry, but for all your talk of "reverse rascism", I have very rarely seen anything of the kind.

2. It sounds like when you talk about eduction, you are talking about the teachers being hired (or not hired) under Affirmative Action. However, a far more important issue is not the teachers, its the students and the quality of education they get. There may or may not be some unfair hiring practices in the teaching profession, just like there may or may not be in any profession. But thats another topic.

Would you agree that all students, regardless of colour, religion, disability, sexual orientantion, or nationality, currently living in the States deserve to get a quality education for free from the government?

K-12 education is not "intimate decisions", its a basic education. The reason that schools are falling apart and kids are reading textbooks in which thr USSR is still "the enemy" is not due to the fact that teachers are lazy, under qualified or opportunists. Its because Uncle Sam spends many times more building tanks and guns then on educating the nations youth. America's military budget is more than that of the next 40 competitors COMBINED.

Man, you guys have enough planes and shells to last you for a thousand years. The kids, however, are redifining the word "dumb." Then, those same dumb, poor kids go off and joing the Army to pay for college, and get shiped of to Iraq in order to use some of those guns that are just lying around collecting dust. Then, the defense contractors and government offcials gobble up billions in taxpayer's money, making new and better guns and planes, because the boogeyman is just around the corner.

Don't you see the irony? In this system, having a crap education system pays off, as it produces the one resource crucial to war which can not be manufactured: people.

 

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Can you guys manage to not turn every ****ing news article into partisan bull**** blaring?  It's really getting sad that it seems now everyone comes down to which side of the political spectrum you're on and which slanted opinions you care to spew.
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You know, I'd suggest some sort of debate forum to push things like this in to one, controlled place. Of course, that idea wouldn't work.
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K-12 education is not "intimate decisions", its a basic education. The reason that schools are falling apart and kids are reading textbooks in which thr USSR is still "the enemy" is not due to the fact that teachers are lazy, under qualified or opportunists. Its because Uncle Sam spends many times more building tanks and guns then on educating the nations youth. America's military budget is more than that of the next 40 competitors COMBINED.
 

over 50 percent of the budget in our state goes to education. And were still the 50 ranked state. Public schools get the most money, then its unis n scholerships. Yet the weakest private schools outperform pulbics by 40 percent. (dont let me get started on homeschoolers. )
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You know, I'd suggest some sort of debate forum to push things like this in to one, controlled place. Of course, that idea wouldn't work.
This place is a games forum, ultimately.  If anyone wants to debate political type stuff, go to The Frontier.  The Off Topic forum there is basically the politics forum.
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You know, all you have to do, as an administrator, is lock political threads and/or rewrite the rules so that political threads aren't allowed.

How do you expect, really, a thread about Shrub pushing broadband access in an election year to not be inherently political?


Wow. **** [that's B.U.S.H.] is in the naughtyword list now?
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****

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I think he took your advice
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Come on.  How can pushing broadband not be a good thing?  :p

And you can probably figure out when I did the censor, assuming I did it right after I posted something.
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Indeed. Makes a great four letter word though, doesn't it? Somehow... appropriate.
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Bush is a bad word?
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Come on.  How can pushing broadband not be a good thing?  :p


Oh, I dunno. Let's consider one of his PREVIOUS campaign pushes: educational reform. **** pushes a multimillion dollar educational reform bill--promises to fund it fully from federal appropriations--then drops the bill on the states. Oh, yeah, and if the states fail to meet up to the requirements of the reform bill (which they haven't been given money to pay for, so they can't implment it), they lose federal funding. Go ****! Way to fight tax-and-spend democrats: become a borrow-and-spend-and-never-repay republican! Yeah. That's good for the US, its children, its schools and indeed North America as a whole. Yeah.

Given that broadband acceptance is pretty reasonable as things stand now, this sort of thing amounts to a way to funnel taxpayer dollars into the pockets of the broadband consortium. You know, the people who have given us 65000 home improvement television shows, umpteen thousand reality shows and killed all but a pittance of the decent educational programming on television (because, you see, those broadband providers, by and large are the cable television industry). What's left over will go into the telecommunications consortium. You know, the corporations that milk the consumer daily for telephone, wireless phone, and pager services, to the tune of something like 1200% markup per minute of use. Yeah, these are companies that are hurting for money. They need the government handout.

Why exactly does the country need more broadband internet access, seriously? What is to be gained? The educational benefits are negligible. The financial benefits are questionable at best. Where's the gain for anything but Mr. ****'s approval rating?

We won't even consider that ol' Dubya can't FUND something like this without either repealing some of his tax cuts on the rich or raising taxes on the middle class, or worst of all, more deficit spending.

When you've gotta give the citizenry a return on their investment (and that's what taxes are), why not spend it where it can do you good--like the (nonexistent) health care system? Think about it: the health care system is an investment. Keep people healthy, and they earn more money for longer to pay into taxes. Imagine that: a system that works for everyone concerned.
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aye, the no child left behind thingy is a bit ****ed up.

ferserious, *private companies* are spreading broadband so fast and dropping prices rapidly. The government dosnt need to come regulate everything and try to compete.

Mik, the big thing wrong with a health care system is how much it will cost. The medicared bill (will) increase federal income taxes by %20-30
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Don't be a spoil-sport Shrike. If you'de like, I would be glad to troll a bit more and show you what the forum could be like, were we (well, lets not mince words, were I) not so mature and civilized.

As I've said many a-times, politics is important for every single person living on this planet. This includes us Freespacers. The political babble is always contained in the obviously labeled threads, so those who do not wish to participate can easily avoid them

And face it, Hard Light would be barren without all the politics and religions threads :D:D

 

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aye, the no child left behind thingy is a bit ****ed up.

ferserious, *private companies* are spreading broadband so fast and dropping prices rapidly. The government dosnt need to come regulate everything and try to compete.

Mik, the big thing wrong with a health care system is how much it will cost. The medicared bill (will) increase federal income taxes by %20-30


We wouldn't have to crank income taxes if we stopped letting the rich and the corporations rape the tax system in the first place--and if we stopped giving rich people 30-60% tax cuts in back to back tax reform bills. There's a lot of tax loopholes and screwy laws that let people with money make sure they never have to part with any of it (and still take benefits from the system).

When a corporation like AT&T or Halliburton pays NO corporate income taxes (that's zero. Goose egg. Nada. Nunca. el Zerro Grande. the big nothing), there's something seriously, deeply, comprehensively wrong. There is no way I owe more taxes than Halliburton for my 9mos as my own company. Please.
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FS politics? Anyone?

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so, what if all government funding came rom sales tax? the more a company made the more revenu it would be makeing for the governmen, people would be getting twice as much as they do now, though most things would cost twice what they do now (exeptions could be made for the poor, and for food, ect)
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