[Liberator]

This is neat.

About the two years between windows thing, that's only with the crap drive systems we have now.  If we did what we need to do, we'dd take our time and develop our tech in the space between here and the Moon and get it pert near perfect, where it only takes an hour or two to fly to the moon and then go to Mars.

[an0n]

Originally posted by PhReAk
i don't think shipping resources between planets would be that economical until you have ships that can approach a fraction of C that can be easily expressed (like .0001).  Most anything we find on mars (resource wise) is going to stay there.  unless you want to wait 2yrs for a shipment of iron ore that would be more cheaply mined from asteroids.

I didn't mean shipping it off Mars. I meant shipping it to other outposts and whatnot.

You wouldn't want a French outposts sitting atop a huge titanium vein and refusing to share.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by PhReAk
unless you want to wait 2yrs for a shipment of iron ore that would be more cheaply mined from asteroids.

Surely most asteroids are somewhat farther away than Mars is?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


Surely most asteroids are somewhat farther away than Mars is?

Yes but you don't have to pay the fuel cost of lifting it from Mars's graviational field.

[an0n]

No, just the fuel cost of blasting it across space on a giant firework.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by an0n
No, just the fuel cost of blasting it across space on a giant firework.

You'd have to do that from Mars too

[kasperl]

yep, and once you're outside the gravity well, and you have some time left, you don't  need all that much power....

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by an0n
You wouldn't want a French outposts sitting atop a huge titanium vein and refusing to share.

why not, if they showed the inititive of building a working facility, they should be rewarded with rights to determine what happens with it's material, the material that would otherwise be sitting in the ground if they haddn't built there base.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Yep. Some random Cold War era treaty. One we haven't pulled out of yet, even.

because it can be safely ignored... after all, a claim doesn't mean anything if you can't exert souvereignity. Planting a flag and then not going back regularly isn't exerting souvereignity
You need to put people there, either permanent or via regular missions.

[an0n]

Yes, but sheer luck and simply being the first there shouldn't give anyone the right to claim sole ownership of any resources.

If that were the case then someone could just land pods at all the water-ice sites and use it to subjugate the entire planet.

[Ghostavo]

Of course there is a law that denies countries the right to possess any extra-terrestrial territories.

P.S.
And about the methane... sorry... that was me!

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by an0n
Yes, but sheer luck and simply being the first there shouldn't give anyone the right to claim sole ownership of any resources.

If that were the case then someone could just land pods at all the water-ice sites and use it to subjugate the entire planet.

being first is not good enough. You have be able to go back at any moment you want, or be there permanently.
just planting the flag is not going to do the trick

[Bobboau]

yeah, who ever is able to exploit what ever recorces is the one who should be alowed to. (and mineing marse for recorces for use on earth is ****ing stupid)

[Liberator]

Why?  Would you have the same objection to mining Jupiter for He3 or Duterium in a few years?

[Carl]

Rebuttal originating from the wisdom of The Earl of Sandwich




...or we could just hook up methane catching bags to cows' mouths to get the methane from their burps.

Or wast it the other end of the cow that expelled methane?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=8&u=/nm/20040402/od_nm/odd_canada_flatulence_dc