[aldo_14]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Actually I did, and I couldn't even get my economy running. The computer has resource handicaps, and I got owned in about 10 minutes or so... so then I would like to see what she does. If she can take over his territory in 20 minutes then lets see it!

Did you strike first?  been ages since I played RoN (and I was pish anyways), but IIRC you could launch the first attack on the enemy capital first town and defeat them in minutes if you got your timing and tactics right.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Building an army on toughest requires an INSANE amount of resources, and establishing income quickly is important. When you start a basic level, you have a woodcutter came, 3 farms, and a scout. Everything after that is up to you, but you need to get together gold too, which means another city, a market, and then a trading route. After that, you need a sufficiant force to take down a computer with a handicap, where he probably has a whole bunch of resources. Tis' hard...

[Ghostavo]

.::Tin Can::., just because you are a boomer doesn't mean that booming is the only way to win a game. Rushing the computer is normally odd, but in some games it is the best way to win... try it. You only need to hurt your enemy, not kill it completely to execute a successful rush.

[aldo_14]

Use the scout to pick up the vital resources whilst you research / build your raiding parties.  Assuming you aren't starting with a larger city & army.  Plus, so long as your enemy is defending and rebuilding, they aren;t going to be able to attack you.

[.::Tin Can::.]

You guys just don't get it: it's NOT THAT EASY! Now only would you run out of resources fast trying to build a rush army of SIX UNITS, but a computer on Toughest will definately have more men than you do when you get there. How about YOU try it...

[Ulala]

I like it except when games run too long and someone who knows they're gonna lose just armageddon's the map so no one wins. Other than those nits, .

[.::Tin Can::.]

You CAN turn Armegedon off, if you wanted, and just have no nukes at all, which is how I would like to play it. n00bs who nuke the map because they are going to lose should die...

[Thorn]

Or you could just research nuke shield...

[Drew]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Building an army on toughest requires an INSANE amount of resources, and establishing income quickly is important. When you start a basic level, you have a woodcutter came, 3 farms, and a scout. Everything after that is up to you, but you need to get together gold too, which means another city, a market, and then a trading route. After that, you need a sufficiant force to take down a computer with a handicap, where he probably has a whole bunch of resources. Tis' hard...

dude stfu. Havnt you ever heard of rushing? If you play any RTS online for more then an hour all of the experience players can rush you in about 20-30 mins. Gezz.  If she was entirley focused and clicked a *hell* of of times.

And my god does it really matter. If you say it cant be done challenge her online and watch her kick your ass.

[.::Tin Can::.]

I cant because:

A) Computer is broken
B) I have 56K. Last time I tried to get on I could join no servers because of latency and bad, HORRIBLE ping.

And no, Drew, I said it's not that easy god damnit. Besides, any army of rushing size, about 6 to 15 units, can be DECIMATED by simply sounding the alarm and having all your citizens garrison IN the cities. Like I said: try it yourself. Rushing is not smart in another way because of attrition, and if you brough along 1 supply wagon then I just tell all my citizens to target it, and you would become damaged by their arrows and the damage being inflicted by territory attrition. Stupid aint it? Apparently you havent tried it...

[StratComm]

Who cares if your units take damage?  They are expendable, any rush force is.  You don't just rush once, you do it repeatedly.  The first rush can and often does fail, but the goal is to return with another force before your opponent can repair the damage your first raid did.  I also see one flaw in your reasoning (having never played RoN, but it's a general RTS tactic anyway): while you're seiging the city, the worker units by definition can't do anything without getting killed.  So, their economy screeches to a halt and gives you a chance to make up for building the rush army in the first place.  There are also exploits over most games' AI that can lead to a shorter win, but I somehow doubt it's the case here.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Unless you have more then one city present at the time, but usually it's not the case. Try it, you wont win. At all. Then again, I'll try and sharpen my skills a little bit using the advanced AI...

[Drew]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Like I said: try it yourself.

 
already have, had a damn fun time doing it too.

*****, shut the **** up before i put your ass on the missing persons list.

[Tiara]

Easy boys...  easy...

Anyway, Tin Can, you said and I quote, "It's not that easy". That doesn't mean its impossible. And just because you think it's hard doesn't mean it's hard for me as well. It's just that I've never had a hard time with RTSs

[.::Tin Can::.]

LOL @ Drew. I remember hearing that from little kids trying to insult me... truely pathetic, and I don't know why you try.

As pertaining to the Toughest mode, I can't get any REAL economy established whatsoever before the computer runs along and destroys everything with it's "bigger-than-a-rush-army" army. Can't do it, so, maybe you can tell me how.

[Stealth]

hey c'mon guys, please keep it clean, or this thread will be closed

[aldo_14]

Point of a rush isn't just to destroy - it's also to force the enemy to defend and prevent their expansion.  If they garrison their villagers then they're not gathering resources, are they?  Also, attrition si the reason for rushes in RoN - you stop your enemy building, and thus expanding their borders.  By the same token, you can push your own borders outwards and create buffer zones.

Besides which, the tips from the game developers recommend an early rush to take the enemies first or second city.  that's why I suggested it
Of course, there's more than 1 way to play the game...... best way is to try and integrate as many different styles of tactics as possible.

http://www.bighugegames.com/riseofnations/strategy_rushing.html
( http://www.bighugegames.com/riseofnations/strategy_index.html )

[.::Tin Can::.]

Ya see, Aldo knows what kind of "tactics" there are in the game. Nice!

[Drew]

Im gonna sum this thread up in a few simple sentances

Stealth: huh?
Tin Can: blah blah
Tira: i 0wnz
TC: No you dont!
Tira: Yes i do
TC: no you dont!
Tira
Drew: get a life TC!
TC: no!


you heard that from little kids trying to insult you?  They probably hated you cuz back then you acted like the same smartass you act like now

[Thorn]

To be honest.. all I see here is a prick waving contest....