[beatspete]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/717511.stm

That's probably relevant, its an article about a farmer who got jailed for shooting dead a burglar in his home.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kazan

A good rifle in the hands of a skilled marksmen is immensely more powerful than an automatic weapon - someone could break into my house and have an automatic weapon and I'd probably win just given a .22

Why? I am a great marksmen, I know the terrain and I don't need a very large target profile to put a bullet in their head  -- I am a skilled enough marksmen that I probably wouldn't need lethal force and would shoot the gun out of his/her hands and then pop one in their knee before they fled

Ah, but - and this is besides the point - what about the effect of adrenaline?  I'm assuming you've not been in any gunfights, of course.

[vyper]

tbh gents, i think it's your culture in the US that's the problem - not the ownership of guns.

[aldo_14]

what about....national service for all gun owners?  that way they can be trained and certified killing machines.

[kasperl]

aha.

wasn't it Swiss that did that?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by kasperl
aha.

wasn't it Swiss that did that?

Think so.... but i didn;t use that example cos the Swiss, IIRC, are given rifles as part of their National Service.

[kasperl]

yeah, an assault rifle in every home.

strangely enough, i rarely ever hear about school shootings in Switserland.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by kasperl
yeah, an assault rifle in every home.

strangely enough, i rarely ever hear about school shootings in Switserland.

There has been a hostage / shooting incident in a school, tho - a few years back IIRC.  

also;
http://education.guardian.co.uk/print/0%2C3858%2C4402821-110908%2C00.html

"Switzerland is also reconsidering its gun laws, which are the most relaxed in western Europe, after Friedrich Leibacher went on the rampage in the regional parliament in the northern city of Zug last September. He killed 14 people and himself, apparently over a grudge against a local official.

Switzerland's part-time militia keep their weapons at home. New laws in 1999 required anyone buying a gun from a store to have a permit, which is issued by local police or authorities in the different Swiss cantons, or states. But the only document required in a private sale is a sale contract. "

[Tiara]

As opposed to the anual school shooting in the US (On top of hundreds of other gun related crimes ofcourse)

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by vyper
tbh gents, i think it's your culture in the US that's the problem - not the ownership of guns.

Yep, i think Canada has more guns per head than the US, but a lot less gun-crime.

[Kazan]

aldo: I rock climb, I'm quite used to staying calm with excessive ammounts of adrenaline in my system

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kazan
aldo: I rock climb, I'm quite used to staying calm with excessive ammounts of adrenaline in my system

Maybe so, but i'd still contend that you* can never be 100% sure of your reactions in any stressful situation.  i.e. that you can handle rock climbing because, i'd imagine, you're used to it in both physicla and mental terms.

*in the general case of you, ie. anyone

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Zeronet


Yep, i think Canada has more guns per head than the US, but a lot less gun-crime.

Yeah, if we really want to get rid of violent crimes, it's gang culture that we have to get rid of, not guns.

[Kazan]

1) eliminate gangster/rapper culture
2) ?
3) Profit!