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Exactly, that's why it's bogus.


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So what determines whether a "bible code prediction" is a good one or not besides waiting til the appointed time has passed?

ALL of the predictions made in the plain text came true.  The standard here is all or nothing.

 

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I have NO answers!! :)
This has explained to me that the Bible codees are not yet understood or likewise, in my opinion

EDIT: and plus saying that Rock music is evil makes me kind of mad, sso that's another chalk for pros and cons of the whole deal
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But why would it be unclear?  The bible in plain text has already made it clear what the point of existence is, what God is doing, the nature of God's character, what will happen before he comes back, that there will be those who try to mislead you, that the church better be careful or they'll fail in his sight, that nothing should be added to the bible, that nothing should be removed from the bible and that there are things that God will not reveal to anyone.

In the light of that, where does the bible code fit in?

 

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Strange coincidence isn't it??
There will be time for answers
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No it's simply called people seeing things that aren't there and misleading other people.


They aren't messages from God.


IF these messages, derived in the same way, are from God, none would be fallible.

There has been predictions that have been wrong.

Therefore these messages cannot be from God.

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This may open some doors of possiblility, please read before you criticize.
Take from a site

How Should Christians Respond to the Bible Codes?
How should thinking Christians respond to these seemingly incredible findings of future events foretold in the Bible, but hidden in codes only a computer can find? Undoubtably, it is too early to say very much, as even the specific methods and mathematical checks have yet to be agreed upon. But certain things appear to be clear.
We know very little about how sequences of letters behave when not written by an author, but rather put together by a program within a computer. Witztum, Rips, and Rosenberg make certain assumptions about what would and would not be a significantly close connection between two sets of words to rule out random placement. But these are, in the end, arbitrary. What McKay and Dror Bar-Natan have done in their own paper, "Equidistant Letter Sequences in Tolstoy's War and Peace," is demonstrate to their satisfaction that whatever phenomena occurs in the Hebrew text of Genesis can also be found in the Hebrew text of War and Peace.(15)

The scholarly arguing about method and mathematics is still going on, but what seems to be emerging is the fact that almost any "message" can be found if a sufficiently long text is used. If this is true, then we have learned something new about how humans who can program computers can find non-random messages in random texts, but we have not shown that a divine intelligence wrote the Bible.

An important question to ask ourselves is, "Why are we so fascinated by codes and mysterious messages in a book as clear as the Bible?" Do we not trust that God has given us all we need to know, both for ourselves and to evangelize the world, in the text that all of us can read? Perhaps for His own pleasure, God has indeed hidden certain things in the text of the Bible, but surely they are not the main message. God has given us the Bible so that we might know Him and make Him known. ELS codes in the Bible do not seem to do much more than pique curiosity.

Our responsibility is to read the text for what it says, not for what may be hidden under the surface. We know from the Book of Revelation that some great cataclysm is coming, and as it draws nearer, we are warned not to be misled. Jesus vividly portrayed how obvious His return would be: "Just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be."(16) So as you watch the news and the millennium approaches, keep your "baloney detectors" alert!

Will Bible codes become an important tool in the apologetic toolkit of evangelical Christians? We should be very cautious when we do not use God's Word as He wrote it. Merely studying the Bible codes will not necessarily result in Christian faith. For example, Michael Drosnin, after years of research for his book, The Bible Code, was still an athiest: "I had proof there was a code, but not proof there was a God. . . . I don't believe in God. . . . The message of the Bible code is that we can save ourselves."(17) If that is all that Drosnin came to believe after working with these codes for five years, we are probably better off having people read the Bible and encountering the real God through His own words. One needs no codes to read and understand John 3:16.
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Why don't you take the advice from that quote then?

 

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You could probably find similar things by "reading" other books... like someone already mentioned Moby Dick.

Open any cross-word puzzle and see how many words you can find in there (besides the ones that are intended of course)...

It is pure coincidence, nothing more, nothing less.
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Why don't you take the advice from that quote then?


Do you not here me BOY!!!
man, I simply enjoy the possiblilty of what they are.
I'm saying this now THER WILL BE TIME FOR ANSWERS.  But look at this definatly fun to read and possibly put there for some reason (If he knew we would find it) or not. I'm sticking to the Bible, but nontheless....Interesting
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it's not coincidence it's a combination of counterintuitive statistics and phycology
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same thing :p

whatever :doubt:
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What does that mean to someone who has failed english over and over again?? :D
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle


Do you not here me BOY!!!
man, I simply enjoy the possiblilty of what they are.
I'm saying this now THER WILL BE TIME FOR ANSWERS.  But look at this definatly fun to read and possibly put there for some reason (If he knew we would find it) or not. I'm sticking to the Bible, but nontheless....Interesting
Sorry for grammer Issues



Uh huh.  Why don't apply the sack that God gave each of us a bit instead and discover that this simply can't be true?

It's also stated in the bible that God wants people to be shrewd yet gentle.  You're not filling either roles.


[edit] It means that this is bogus since you can get the same results from anything [/edit]

 

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No, we still have free will, and that could be a reason why we have only been allowed to reach it until now:)


Yes, you have free will, but if the bible is God's word. And God knows past, present, and future. So if the Bible Code truthfully says that will cheat on your wife and **** your sister in 2034, then that means you will, obviously of your own choice or circumstance. If not, and you don't, then that would prove that God's word is not 100% valid, the whole system could not be 100% valid and either disprove the whole religon or uh.. blow up the universe (i.e. Dogma). Provided the code is legit and all.
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I'm not decided. I'll believe it if we get hit by a comet in 2012.

 

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Ummm...
NEVER EVER tell me who I am, Your ignorance is starting to annoy me.  STOP here!!
Nobody's perfect so get of my back and stop pointing out people's mistakes
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So you'll take one prediction and if it comes true you'll believe it all even though a lot of the other predictions have turned out to be wrong?


I'm not so much pointing out your mistakes but showing you that if you truly believe the bible, then you cannot accept the bible code as truth.

 

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Yes, you have free will, but if the bible is God's word. And God knows past, present, and future. So if the Bible Code truthfully says that will cheat on your wife and **** your sister in 2034, then that means you will, obviously of your own choice or circumstance. If not, and you don't, then that would prove that God's word is not 100% valid, the whole system could not be 100% valid and either disprove the whole religon or uh.. blow up the universe (i.e. Dogma). Provided the code is legit and all.


:lol: i can't if I'm dead in 2012 :p
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NEVER EVER tell me who I am, Your ignorance is starting to annoy me. STOP here!!
Nobody's perfect so get of my back and stop pointing out people's mistakes


funny thing... you bring a theory up... you almost insulted people here and tried to support it in every way possible... that theory has been proven wrong over a million times by people here, and then when they finally start to reach to you with thoughts that you cannot ignore you say this... is there a spock smile I'm unaware of so I can use it here? :D
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:lol: i can't if I'm dead in 2012 :p


See? After you and sis are the only ones alive after the big comet bang of 12', you wouldn't have much choice, now would you? Provided you're not some kind of necrophyliac..
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