[Kazan]

Who's seen the trailer? Who thinks it's going to rock

[J3Vr6]

I downloaded the trailer yesterday.  It looks pretty damn good.  One thing, though and I'm hoping it was the download, spiderman looked 10 times more computer generated than the last movie.

But it looked bad ass

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by J3Vr6
spiderman looked 10 times more computer generated than the last movie.

Gotta agree. I wonder why they make it look that way - surely technology can do better nowadays.

[Stunaep]

Never cared about all that superhero sh1t.

Except for X2. That was somewhat cool.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Gotta agree. I wonder why they make it look that way - surely technology can do better nowadays.

Maybe it's aiming for an intentional cartoony effect?  I think Hulk went for the same idea, didn't it?

[Rictor]

What he said. X2 was the only halfway decent one. I never even bothered to see Spiderman 'cause I didn't want to ruin my fond memories. The Hulk was also, well, atrocious. Except for that one part when Nick Nolte goes crazy and throws a tantrum. That was awesome :D

[pyro-manic]

One of the main things I hate about new movies is the over-reliance on special effects. For example, the first and second Matrix movies. First one - awesome special effects, with ingenious new camera techniques and green-screen stuff. Second one - purely CG-ed fight scenes (eg the Neo vs. Smiths scene), with no actual people in them at all. What's the point? You can tell it's not real. Even if the film has a completely daft plot, I still want it to look convincing.

And the LOTR movies as well - they CG-ed characters rather than shooting them with green-screen.  

I think it's just producers being lazy. Rather than set up tricky or large-scale scenes, they'll just stick it all through a computer 'cos it's cheaper or easier, even though it looks patently stupid (go and watch the trailer for the Mask sequel - you'll see what I mean). Can't stand it.

Having said all that, I've seen neither the S2 trailer or the first film, so I can't really comment on it.

[Rictor]

But with LOTR, the CG was superb. I mean, you can't very well have 40,000 actors. The way it was done, all the close up soldiers were actual people, and everything in the background was CG. So really, anything that was close enough to see clearly was probably real-life.

Also, the WETA Digital Cg system (forget what its called) was designed to make the soldiers and orcs and such look and move like real people. They had an insane amount of sricpting and AI in there to simulate a real  battle. You could just hit a button and all the CG charcters would have a real-looking battle with flanking, retreats, blocking and all that good stuff.

[J3Vr6]

The only thing I can think of with the Spider Man trailer is that they haven't finished optimising the spider CGI for the trailer.  Sure, they put him in there, but maybe they have to do touch-up to give it the "real" look.

The reason movie companies are using CGI is because it's a lot cheaper and more dynamic than filming real people in real environments.  I have to agree, though, that movies are becoming too dependant on the CGI and losing touch with the actual story telling.

[Kazan]

Don't base LOTR's CG usage - it was necessary - and they really busted their butts to make things sweet looking as rictor said

[IceFire]

LOTR had great film work done on all aspects of that movie.  Some real professional work they did on that movie and I agree...CGI was entirely necessary for everything that they did.  You can't build that stuff...

As for Spiderman 2...loved the first and I hope they do a great sequel.  Lots of potential....X-Men 2 was a great movie too.  So lets hope!  Also keep in mind that trailers often have CGI that isn't finished yet....

[aldo_14]

LOTRs' best use of CGI was probably the 'invisible' stuff - like managing to turn the tallest actor in the cast into a dwarf, without it ever being obvious.

[Rictor]

Though I wouldn't say I'm an expert, I know my way around the X-Men universe. I'm pretty pissed at the director who botched it in a few areas. Its little things, but they account for a large portion of why I like X-Men. I mean, the whole humans vs mutants angle was oversimplified and dumbed down for the masses. You've got a potentially deep character like Magneto and the role is squandered (nothing to do with Ian McKellan, he did a good job). Same with Xavier. Also, making Rouge, Iceman & Co teenagers was a bad move.

Alright, I'm starting to sound like a fanboy, so I'll just stop myself right here. :D

PS: Visually, the characters suck. The art director couldn't find his/her bunghole with both hands

[Flipside]

If only Jack Nicholson had been 20 years younger, you would have had the ultimate Wolverine

As for Spiderman 2, I haven't seen the trailer but I shan't hold my breath, I've yet to see a live action adaptation of a comic that does the comic justice, and as for 'Fists of the Northstar'..... Worst.Film.Evar. ( Though I think this was from an Anime, not a Manga ).

[Rictor]

Actually, I think Hugh Jackman is a very good Wolverine.

I recently saw Fight Club again, and I think that bartender, Irving I think his name was, would make a great Wolverine. He's got the bigass sideburns going :D

[Knight Templar]

Peter is still gay, but Spiderman vs. Doc Oc will rock.

[Flipside]

Well, I suppose they did the lotr thing here, they tried to turn a 6'2 Australian into a 5'0 Canadian.

In my own opinion they failed. He was good, but the Wolverine I read about was about 35-40 years old, full of bad habits, often scruffy, and one wisecracking egotistical s.o.b. i.e. He was 'real', he could screw up. That was what always made me like Wolvy most out of all the comicbook characters.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Peter is still gay, but Spiderman vs. Doc Oc will rock.

I thought Toby Maguire nailed the role of Peter in the first flick. I've been reading Spider-Man comics as far back as I can remember and I thought Maguire was perfect for the role.

Yeah, the CGI effects do seem a bit blatant, but I can live with that. I've been looking forward to this movie for two years. Only a horendous catastrophe could screw it up for me.

And yes, Spidey vs. Doc Ock will indeed rock.

[Knight Templar]

Peter Parker is still gay. On the same level as Clark Kent.

[Sandwich]

So's Magneto/Gandalf and Neo. You don't see anyone making fun of them, do you?