[Grey Wolf]

Ah, thank you. Still seems odd that Starfleet should be around before the Federation. You'd think it'd be some strange spinoff of some existing organization if it preceded the Federation, the International Air and Space Administration or something to that effect.

[Bobboau]

they've used the name

[Liberator]

Earth calls it Starfleet, Earth is the heart of the Federation, therefore they would simply expand Starfleet's role and start taking applicants from other worlds.

I'm still waiting for a show with an Andorian cast member.  They r0x0r!

[Admiral LSD]

To my knowledge, both the Federation and Starfleet are formed together in 2161 after the Romulan war. However, the inconsistency can be written off quite cheaply easily as Zefram Cochrane accidentally seeing the name Starfleet on one of the padds the Enterprise E crew were using to rebuild the Phoenix in First Contact.

[Carl]

well, we aren't supposed to encounter the klingons until 2218, but they don't seem to care much about that.

[Setekh]

I don't even have anything remotely relevant to say on this thread.

Oh wait, yes I do! The SG Atlantis site is now officially open.

www.scifi.com/atlantis

[an0n]

Okay, time for my superior knowledge of Star Trek to clear things up.

The Federation doesn't encounter the Klingons till later. Vulcan has been ****ing around in space for centuries, so they undoubtedly came across a ****load of races the Federation later made first contact with. This isn't a case of explaining away an inconsistency, as the original series(') should've taken this into account.

The Enterprise is the first Warp 5 capable ship. There are hundreds of warp-capable ships coming too and fro from Earth, but the Enterprise is the fastest until the NX-02 comes out of the docks.

Starfleet preceeded the Federation. Starfleet (United Earth Star Fleet) is merged, in 2151, with the United Earth Space Probe to Agency to form the United Earth Stellar Navy.

The Federation is formed 10 years later in 2161, and the United Federation of Planets Starfleet becomes its main military force.

So basically, Starfleet got sucked into the UESN for the 5 years preceding the Romulan War, stayed there throughout the war and was reinstated as an independant naval organization with the founding of the Federation.

[Liberator]

[Grey Wolf]

an0n, any explanation for the Dauntless/Enterprise naming controversy?

[Carl]

i don't think it was called "starfleet" offically until the 23rd century. Kirk called it the United Earth Space Probe agency early on in the series.

[Liberator]

Dauntless was undoubtedly the first Constitution class vessel.

[Grey Wolf]

Sorry, that would be the USS Constitution, following standard naval naming conventions. It was specifically mentioned in the Voyager episode as the NX-01 Dauntless.

[Flipside]

I would have thought it was the Constitution?

[Grey Wolf]

I'm saying the ship in the show "Enterprise" should be named Dauntless, according to previous shows.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Liberator
I'm still waiting for a show with an Andorian cast member.  They r0x0r!

http://www.starshipexeter.com

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I'm saying the ship in the show "Enterprise" should be named Dauntless, according to previous shows.

If you all are referring to the Voyager episode "Hope and Fear", that was the alien guy's ship in disguise, not actually Starfleet's ship, so the argument isn't valid.

As for why the writers chose NX-01 for the ship, it was either to emphasize the uniqueness of the ship's technology or because they were dumb.  Probably a combination of both, but following TNG/DS9/VOY rules, the Dauntless's registry should have been NX-74*** (the Defiant was NX-74205).  You can explain that away by saying the alien guy may not have bothered to look it up.

[Grey Wolf]

Wouldn't you think that the characters would have realized that the original NX-01 wasn't the Dauntless? Or did they get a bit too much radiation in their galaxy traversing adventures?

[Goober5000]

There'd be no reason to confuse the two, as the NX-01 Dauntless is the size of Voyager and has quantum slipstream drive, while the NX-01 Enterprise is smaller than the NCC-1701 Enterprise and has a max speed of warp 5. They probably assumed Starfleet decided to re-use the number because the ship was so special.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Goober5000
http://www.starshipexeter.com

I mean legit "Star Trek" not fan stuff, those are cool though.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Goober5000
There'd be no reason to confuse the two, as the NX-01 Dauntless is the size of Voyager and has quantum slipstream drive, while the NX-01 Enterprise is smaller than the NCC-1701 Enterprise and has a max speed of warp 5. They probably assumed Starfleet decided to re-use the number because the ship was so special.

They said in-episode that it was named after the original NX-01.