[Turnsky]

any australian should know about the Anzacs, any person who knows about world war one, should know.too..
Anzac Day, 2004



now, like i said elsewhere, i hope that the Australian troops return home safe from the iraq conflict.

and yeah, i coulda posted this in the art thread but due to it's political nature, it would be more suited here..

[Janos]

Please educate me, as a poor Finn suffering from massive hangover I am not aware what happened.

edit: dunn, I am an idiot, how can I not remember when Gallipoli happened. [hits head into wall]. But I am pro-Germany anyways.

[Turnsky]

*sigh* people not reading world history..  'tis sad.
http://www.anzacsite.gov.au/

it was in world war one, dingus, a lot of people died in the gallipoli pennisula in turkey, and a great many of them were australian & New Zealand. (Hence "Anzac" - Australia and New Zealand Army Corps)

EDIT, that's all i can provide right now, as i'm ****ing tired and i'm heading to bed.

[kasperl]

read the WW1 doc on the wikipedia, it contains info.

as far as the piece of art is concerned, nice.

for the troops in Iraq, well, i hope all of the poor bastards go home alive, but that goes for everyone in any conflict, no matter my views on the conflict, it's leaders, or the actions of the officers. unless a soldier chooses to do something horrible, he's still a soldier.

[Flipside]

Nice artwork. It shames me to think that Gallipoli was Winston Churchills idea

[kasperl]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_and_New_Zealand_Army_Corps

for those wanting more information....

[diamondgeezer]

From what I know of history, those Anzacs were some **** hot soldiers

[Liberator]

That whole war was a mistake.  Millions died on all sides because of one man's death.  Pathetic when you think about it.

Nice art though Turnsky, very appropriate.

[mikhael]

War is almost always a mistake, Lib. "The last argument of kings," and all that. There was more to it than one man's death. His death was just the trigger, the final straw, if you will.

When we go back to Australia, my wife has prevailed upon me to join the other expat American soldiers marching in Adelaide's ANZAC Day parade. I'll gladly do it and in uniform, too. Those men deserve recognition not for their fight, or their deaths, but HOW they fought and HOW they died. They were some hard assed bastards, the ANZACs.

[karajorma]

I think Blackadder summed up the causes of the war best.

Edmund : You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.
 
Baldrick: But this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?
 
Edmund: Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.
 
George: What was that, sir?
 
Edmund: It was bollocks.

[Spicious]

And the other part of the Blackadder causes of war

Baldrick: I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.

Edmund: I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot.

Baldrick: Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir.

Edmund: Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort *not* to have a war.

[Liberator]

The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

Forgive my stating the obvious, but M.A.D. cannot work if the one side in not capable of effectivly wiping out their enemy with a single stroke.  It did not become viable until the late 50's when ICBMs were the fallback weapon du jour.

[mikhael]

That didn't stop people from trying it though, Lib.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Liberator
Forgive my stating the obvious, but M.A.D. cannot work if the one side in not capable of effectivly wiping out their enemy with a single stroke.  It did not become viable until the late 50's when ICBMs were the fallback weapon du jour.

That's why it was bollocks

[diamondgeezer]

Lib, during the inter-war years, the bomber was regarded as we regard nukes now - an horrific WMD. So a century ago, no doubt an uber-army was considered an effective deterrant

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Lib, during the inter-war years, the bomber was regarded as we regard nukes now - an horrific WMD. So a century ago, no doubt an uber-army was considered an effective deterrant

Alfred Nobel himself was hoping that Dynamite would prevent wars due to it's destructive capacity.

just goes to show, no wars can be prevented, only the methods of it can change.

[Ghostavo]

Wars can be prevented... but not by military means...

It is incredible that a day that I found to be so peaceful with so little bloodshed turned out to be remembered for the loss of so many people.

Let's hope such days may never have to be created again.

[Janos]

Something like this, huh?

Liquid armour. No, not that magnetic shielding the Brits are testing.

[Gloriano]

* one minute silence* to those who died in gallipoli....

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
From what I know of history, those Anzacs were some **** hot soldiers

Damn right they were. Aussies were, and still are generally regarded as some of the best infantrymen in the world. It started in the Boer war, but WW1 was where the reputaion really got proven.