[Lonestar]

I didnt pick either, cause neither of the choices guarantess a win. Speed equals power as well which skews results further.

Fighting depends on more then physical ability as well, cause a smart slow man has a good chance against a powerful slow man, however the powerful slow man might get lucky (a factor you cannot calculate BTW) and knock the smart fast man down in one shot.

This is why fights are fought, to see who wins there is no guarantees with reality, and fighting is one of the more gruesome realities of life.

As a martial artist ive seen many fights and been in many, and know that you cant say for certain who will win or lose and each time you get involved in one your better to be careful the confident no matter what power, speed or smarts you may have there is always one guy better. Ultimately the most powerful people are those who can talk their way out of a fight, that takes gaul and smarts more then anyone who just throws a punch IMO.

[Colossus]

Originally posted by JarC
Since energy*speed==mass, the small guy's blows can deliver a greater impact over time as he suffers less from energy loss during the production of the blow than the big guy who tires earlier.

That formula doesn't apply at such low speeds, especially to fights.

[Stealth]

you people (particularly you Lonestar) are forgetting that in real fights, whether you've had 2 days of martial arts training or two years, it usually doesn't make much (if any) of a difference... because when adrenhaline starts being pumped, you're super strong, and you don't think logically, you just think linearly.  you don't think "wait a second, be calm, block his punch, then attack to the solar plexus"... you just go at them.

[Stealth]

I didnt pick either, cause neither of the choices guarantess a win. Speed equals power as well which skews results further

so if i go out to the streets, pick a skinny, fast little asian guy, then i go to the gym, pick a 6'4" 280 lb weight-lifter... the skinny asian guy's going to win?  you're forgetting something...

[Nix]

Speed counts if you know the right spots to hit.  Stamina counts if you're just gonna start flinging punches left and right.  If you hit someone in the right spot, it's friggin hell.  I honestly dont know how someone can still be conscious after being hit smack dab in the nose. (at least for me)  In my childhood, I was walking out of the front doors of my school, I think I was in 3rd grade or something, and slipping on some icy steps outside, almost literally taking a bite out of a metal pipe handrail.  that hurt like hell.  Recently, someone hid behind a door, and while walking through the door, this guy tried to tackle me, at least wrestle me to the floor, and accidentally flung the heel of his palm right into my nose.  I havent seen that many stars since I smacked that handrail in my youth.
So, I would think that speed, with intent to go after someone's known weakness, or a generalized weak spot like a kidney shot, would result in the last man standing.

[mikhael]

The most important thing is not being where the fight takes place. Let your enemy fight your proxies whilst you sit back and watch from as far away as possible.

[Stealth]

yeah well mikhael, and everyone else:  please remember this thread is not trying to get advice on what to do to win a fight, or how to beat your opponent.  it's a simple question...

[Rictor]

Would be boring to just have a string of replies saying "Option 1" or "Option 2", wouldn't it.

mik: how cowardly. Smart, but cowardly. Also, we're not talking about governments here, most people don't have "proxies" to fight it out for them.

[mikhael]

Bull****. I can hire someone to do any fighting I'm likely to do, Rictor. I'm not in the armed forces anymore. If the fight is something I can't prepare for, I can always run. If I can't run, my only option left is to force my opponent to make a mistake. Speed, skill, strength, etc, are all tools to achieve that one end. Once they've made a mistake, I will win that exchange. All I have to do is make sure he makes more mistakes than I do.


Avoiding the risk of a fight does not represent cowardice, or a lack of courage. It represents a willingness to win in the least risky manner possible.

cowardice

the trait of lacking courage

courage

a quality of spirit that enables you to face danger of pain without showing fear

[Ulala]

I'd say speed... and no, the fact that I'm fast, but not big and strong has nothing to do with it..

[Stealth]

wow.  you're all saying it's speed.

either it's ignorance, or none of you are "big and strong".

[Kazan]

speed is only useful when you have to skills to use it

fortunately I have both - i have subdued people significantly larger than me the moment they become agressive

lol.. one time a guy was getting agressive with me verbally, brought his hands up - reflexes went off - next thing i know i have him bent over a table arm twisted behind his back completely subdued - i don't remember moving, i remember his hands coming up and then the next thing i remember i have him bent over the table - needless to say I was rather suprised it was the fastest my reflexes had ever worked (and now i'm all the faster and more effective due to training)

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Kazan
speed is only useful when you have to skills to use it

Exactly!

[mikhael]

Power and strenth are only useful when you can land a strike.

[Stealth]

and speed is only useful when you've got the training to use it correctly

no one said the strong guy was a ****ing mental retard... it's not that hard to deliver a strike on someone with absolutely no martial or combat training, regardless how "fast" they are.  they may (with luck) be able to dodge or block the first few punches, but one punch connected, and it's over.

[Ulala]

Yeh, if the speedy guy is dodging all the power, what good is it? But if you're saying Big Guy with Big Power and fast guy with speed punch eachother at the exact same time, who would win? In that case, I'd guess big power, since big power is um... powerful.

[mikhael]

For every argument you make one way or the other, there's a reciprocal argument that is pretty much EXACTLY as sound:


No one said the fast guy was a ****ing kleenex.. .its not that hard to deliver dodge a stike thrown by someone with no martial or combat training, regardless of how "strong" they are. They may (with luck) be able to hit onece or twice, but after missing enough, they'll run out of endurance, and it's over.

[ChronoReverse]

Hmm, generally if you're stronger you're also quicker.  Unless you're so bulky it slows you down.

Rather silly to say all power versus all speed since they rarely exist completely separate anyways.


A sickly skinny guy isn't going to be that quick.  Even a quick guy won't be so much faster that the person with power can't land a blow.

If you're going add training into the equation, then the strong guy still has the advantage since training increases the speed as well as the strength of both the combatants.  The quick guy still isn't going to be able to really dodge blows or land so much more.

[Janos]

An assault bazooka... which fires poisonous acid piranhas!

I use either the old "run away"-trick or ugly "kick it into stomach, then beat the **** out of it with something hard".

And skinny guys are quick. I'm skinny, and all girls say I'm really quick.

[Kosh]

Kazan is right. Spped or strength don't matter if you don't know how to use it.