[Stealth]

I'm having an argument with a friend... He says that in all fights, speed is what wins, regardless of how physically strong or big the opponent is.  I say that's not true, physical size and strength is a very, very big deal.  I obviously agree that with martial art training, the odds will be evened more, but he insists that speed is what will win a fight.

I.e.  the average big guy vs. the average fast guy, the fast guy will win.

What do you think?

[01010]

Definitely semtex.

[Rictor]

Pure animal agression. Crazy man psycho violence. Well, that or semtex...

[Carl]

it depends.

[Flipside]

Speed is most useful when avoiding a fight, I always find

Stamina, it's as simple as that, it's not a question of who does the best looking punch etc, etc, at the end of the day, the winner of any fight is the last man standing

And an ability to realise you are not in the movies and kick them in the groin before they've finished their 'line' works rather well, as I found out once whilst in the city I suppose that counts as speed

[phreak]

a sub-machine gun.  it gets your point across rather well

[neo_hermes]

whenever i'm in a fight i usualy use my bat with barbed-wire.

[JarC]

Originally posted by Stealth
I.e.  the average big guy vs. the average fast guy, the fast guy will win.

totally correct, here's why...

the smaller guy has less weight to throw in a punch, he can therefore deliver a blow with greater speed. Since energy*speed==mass, the small guy's blows can deliver a greater impact over time as he suffers less from energy loss during the production of the blow than the big guy who tires earlier.

[Flipside]

But, the small guy has to be lucky enough to avoid the larger mans blows all the time, if he gets hit once, for every, say, five punches, and takes 6 times as much relative damage, he'll go down first, not to mention he 'may' have less stamina in the first place

[Carl]

umm, i think he means big as in strong, and therefore the strong guy would deliver faster blows.

[jdjtcagle]

Well with speed you it doesn't matter how strong you are...
you can still chop through brick with speed, while it helps to be strong:D

[Stealth]

guys guys guys, please. keep it either one or the other.  i'm sure most of you would rather have a loaded gun in a fight than speed or strength, but just for my point, can you pretend it's 1v1?

and whoever said stamina... wtf?  one hard punch and you're knocked out, stamina or no stamina.

the smaller guy has less weight to throw in a punch, he can therefore deliver a blow with greater speed. Since energy*speed==mass, the small guy's blows can deliver a greater impact over time as he suffers less from energy loss during the production of the blow than the big guy who tires earlier.

so wait, the small, fast guy, with no martial arts skill (see my first post) will either block or dodge each and every punch the big guy throws at him?  highly unlikely.  and one punch from the big guy will do a LOT more damage than one punch from the small guy

[Stealth]

and yes, Carl... the argument is:

Small, Skinny, FAST guy   vs Big (not fat), Strong guy

[Flipside]

Stealth, in fighting, Stamina means your ability to absorb hard punches, so excuse me if I smile at your comment

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by Stealth
one hard punch and you're knocked out, stamina or no stamina.

Funny, you should say that
Here is a story


In the cafeteria at school, my friends were throwing little sausages at people and I have my head down, almost asleep (Its morning and I’m tired). A couple minutes later someone huge guy taped me on the soldier and said.
“Why were you throwing little smokies at us” I told him I wasn’t but he still pressed my buttons, as a rresult being really stupid, ignorant, and big headed, I got up and pushed him, he pushed me back towards the cafeteria’s double doors and the swung again. I never felt the punch, ONE HITTER QUITTER!!! He hit me right on the sweet spot on my chin and as soon as he hit everything was dark, never even felt it, although I could hear various noises while I was knocked out, Awwws.. And OOOOOhhs....and a big explosion. Then I woke up with a tacher in the hallway, shaking my @$$ off and the first words that came out of my mouth were. “ OH S***” confused and asking questions. 3 minutes later I was pulled out on the stretcher by the local EMS. Witnesses say that I hit the steel pole between the double doors of the cafeteria.

[Kazan]

Skill

[jdjtcagle]

That is what you get when you have reflexes of sloth

[WMCoolmon]

Uh...karma?

I'd say determination/will is most important myself...

[Hippo]

I'd say an even mix between the two...

Though, as you said, I'd much rather prefer a loaded rifle...

[Corsair]

Speed.