[Setekh]

Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Phew!  Even trying to be short that got long.  Anyway, I will be offline for the next month or so.  With my wedding approaching quickly, and then my honeymoon, I won't be online much at all between now and the middle of June.  If anyone wants to continue the discussion, fair and good, but be aware that I won't be back for some time, so it'll have to wait and then get bumped.

Congratulations, Sesq. Looking forward to your return.

[Liberator]

Congrats and Have Fun!

[Grey Wolf]

On a side topic, anyone have any more random differences between modern and ancient practice of Judaism/Christianity/Islam? (The Satan thing I mentioned on the other page, for example)

[Turambar]

Christians eat pork, Muslims and Jews don't
Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus, Jews don't (mostly)
Christains belive that Jesus was the son of god, everybody else just looks at the Christians and says suure, ah no.

[Grey Wolf]

I was more or less referring to differences between modern and earlier practices within each, as opposed to differences between each other.

[jdjtcagle]

Mmmm...pork *drools*

[Flipside]

Well, off the top of my head, like most old religions, Paganism believed the sun was carried across the sky by a Chariot. And that Chariot had a driver. The name of that driver was.... Beelzebub.

The name was chosen by the clergy to represent Satan because it allowed them to persecute Pagans for worshipping him

Christianity has changed quite a lot over the years, and there are so many 'branches' to it now that it's quite difficult to decide what is 'normal' practice

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Turambar
Christians eat pork, Muslims and Jews don't

Except some Jews and Muslims eat pork and some Christians don't...

Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus, Jews don't (mostly)

Except some Jews do...

Christains belive that Jesus was the son of god, everybody else just looks at the Christians and says suure, ah no.

Except that some jews do believe that Jesus was the Son of God.

[Ghostavo]

If a jew believes in Jesus... isn't he christian?

either way...

Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Yes I can. Wiping out a city is not genocide. One might call it "urbicide" perhaps, but it does not count as genocide. The word genocide indicates that an attempt is being made to eliminate a certain national, racial, political, or cultural group. The racial group itself is the target. In the case in question, the racial group itself isn't the target. Instead, there is simply an overlap in membership between the racial group and the target group.

It's like this. Let's say we have four objects, X1, X2, Y1 and Y2. Now, if I give orders that all X's are to be destroyed, X1 and X2 have had it. But if I give orders that all 1's are to be destroyed, X1 and Y1 are in trouble. In either case, X1 gets it.

Now let's say that X1 and Y2 are sitting on the shelf while X2 and Y1 are not. If I give orders that all 1's sitting on the shelf are to be destroyed, only X1 faces destruction. In this scenario, ordering that all 1's sitting on the shelf are to be destroyed has the same results as ordering that all X's sitting on the shelf are to be destroyed: X1 becomes a target.

Now replace "X" with "Canaanite", "1" with "so sinful as to deserve destruction", and "sitting on the shelf" with "inhabiting particular cities in the area of Israel's invasion". If God orders the destruction of all 1's sitting on the shelf, it isn't actually genocide. It'd only be genocide if X was the determining factor instead of 1.

This differs from Hilter's case in that Hilter was destroying people on the basis of X, and that his "shelf" extended to anywhere his power could reach.

City-State

Even if this isn't true, you are still forgeting that X or 1 are both determining factors. If you are trying to kill all jews (ala Hitler) you are hunting down a religious group. If you are trying to kill all those who are "so sinful as to deserve destruction" you are trying to kill not one but many religious, cultural, political, whatever groups. No it's no genocide, it's a whole bunch of them. And even if that still doesn't count as genocide, it will still count mass murder.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
If a jew believes in Jesus... isn't he christian?

*points at Sandwich*

Well, okay, to be fair, the term 'Jew' can mean a few different things.