[Rictor]

I am not a Trek fan by any means, but I watched DS9 and Voyager for a while when I was younger. Over the years and due to the wonders of crappy Sunday afternoon TV programming, I've seen I would guess maybe 80% of all Trek exlcuding Enterprise. DS9 was by far my fave.

and why is it that every sci-fi/fantasy writer has the initials R.A before their name? There's like a dozen R.A.Somethingorothers out there, all writing fiction novels...what gives?

[J3Vr6]

Dude, you guys know waaaaaaaay too much Start trek.

I have no idea who it is, or why their doing it.  But I think Enterprise is digging their hole a little deeper if they keep up with the time stuff.

But, thinking about that a moment, what else can they really do?

[Bobboau]

nothing, it's what the entier show is about.
that's like saying DS9 was digging their hole deeper by keeping up all that stupid wormhole and Dominion stuff, or voyager was digging there hole by keeping up with that whole 'lost in the Delta quadrant' thing.

[an0n]

I think they should go for a real heroic ending to Enterprise. Have some apocalyptic battle against the Sphere Builders that'll make retaking Chin'toka look like a skirmish with the Ferengi, then purposely piss off every anti-trekkie by hitting the temporal reset button.

Have Archer and all kinds of races that'd **** up the entire Trek timeline marching into the Expanse and annihilating the Sphere Builders and their ****. Then some kind of uber-heroic end where Archer gets erased from history along with the Sphere Builders to save the universe.

[J3Vr6]

That would rock, actually... I'm kinda hoping that at the end of the season that cooshie presses the reset button (now lets see who catches that reference).

Bobbou, one thing is to have a story about a worm hole or getting lost in space (wow, that's never been done before), but it's another where you base everything on time travel, especially when the future has already been written in other shows...

I see what you're saying, and I'm a fan of Enterprise... hell, it's the only ST show I've actually watched.  But it's just getting so whacky...

[Liberator]

I don't know, it's been kinda grim lately.  I mean Enterprise is underpowered and way overworked.  

What has happened is Science Fiction TV shows now suffer from the "Babylon 5 Syndrome", whereby if the show doesn't have some kind of perceivable long term plotline it is immeadiately considered crap and must be eliminated.

[J3Vr6]

And something is wrong with that?  This isn't Seinfeld where they can have a show based on nothing...  Sci Fi fans seem to be more rooted intellectually that they expect more than just flashy lights and things that go zooooom.

[Liberator]

What I'm saying is as long as the quality of writing and filmmaking stay up I'm fine with an episodic story architecture.

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Liberator
I don't know, it's been kinda grim lately.  I mean Enterprise is underpowered and way overworked.  

What has happened is Science Fiction TV shows now suffer from the "Babylon 5 Syndrome", whereby if the show doesn't have some kind of perceivable long term plotline it is immeadiately considered crap and must be eliminated.

Thats not necessarily bad....with B5 it was done so well in terms of story that we knew it was going several places all at the same time and it was fun to guess what it was.  JMS also took plenty of universe style risks by having Narn invaded/bombed, various Centauri conflicts with the non-aligned races, the Shadow war...everything we took for granted as stable in the universe in Season 1 was thrown out the window by the end of the series.

[Grey Wolf]

At the same time, you have to admit that The Next Generation was fairly good, and while it did have some references to earlier episodes, it didn't have a massive, set storyline. Few episodes did space things out over a good distance. The parasites that took over peoples brains, for instance.

[Bobboau]

"The parasites that took over peoples brains, for instance."
what happened with that, I only remember the one eppisode were they found the one guy with them then hunted them back the federation HQ, and killed the queen in the one guy, then found a signal from some were else, and went after it, then I don't remember seeing an end to that

[an0n]

Far as I know there was one ep with that Admiral quizzing the Enterprise-D crew to see if they were trustworthy, then another where they destroyed the queen.

Don't remember anything about them trying to track down a signal.

[Bobboau]

I was like 8 at the time so maybe I remember it totaly wrong

[Grey Wolf]

The two I remember are the ones that an0n mentioned.

[an0n]

an0n knows everything about Star Trek.

Phear my wasted life!

[Ace]

Well on another topic, the episode that was on tonight wasn't too bad. They definately tried to do a good job with the characters and such and they finally used the transporter as a weapon. yays!

[TrashMan]

All this temporal-single-time-line crap!!!!!

I hate Star Trek becoase of that!

[Tiara]

Originally posted by TrashMan
All this temporal-single-time-line crap!!!!!

I hate Star Trek becoase of that!

Have you even given Enterprise a chance? It's really different from your average ST temporal episodes in the previous series.

[J3Vr6]

This episdoe was great, I think.  The acting was only terrible in one of them, and it was that asian alien that's the daughter of Archer.  I thought she sucked.

Hey, wasn't like every law on time  broken in that episode?  They were informed of future events, including who they were going to marry and who's kids they'll have?  Doesn't knowing the future also disrupt what the future can be?  I'm thinking of what happened in Back to the Future.  Then again, it can be argued that since their present was different than the old-people enterprise that then there's a possibility they won't hook up, but they found out before it even could be changed.

[Bobboau]

like Daniels said, time travle is more complicated than your average HG Wells novel would have you belive.