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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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A4s are pretty cool, but they always seem to have a cancer, either in that second cockpit shown there, or the dorsal hump that later models had.

Bring back the early versions!

 

Offline IceFire

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Which still does not matter, except in the air shows. US posesses the best long-range weaponry, targeting systems and with F/A-22, the best stealth. Russia is lagging behind, because their military economy is practically in ruins, they have only ~200 frontline combat aircrafts operational and most of their R&D is spent on upgrading the export Suhoi models. I WUV the Russian design, but their combat abilities are so far not up-to-date.

Well as far as a I know the R-77 is potentially (I guess nobody really knows) the best medium to long range missile there is.  I've read and been told quite a bit about the AIM-120 and some of the problems with performance that it has right now.  In terms of radar, the Russian designs aren't far behind and some are likely just as capable as current US designs (in the latest block F-15C).  

Typically the US radar and the whole array is better integrated and there is a bit less workload for the pilot in that things are automated.  Few of the Russian designs have MFD's so there are still alot of guages and single use displays.

The other thing is that at present, at least until the AIM-9X is fully equipped on US warplanes, the R-73 Archer is probably the most advanced short range missile there is.  The pilot uses a targeting system on his helmet to designate targets and the missile itself has thrust vectoring so you can hit targets something like 30 degrees off axis.

I've learned quite a bit in the last couple of years and it leads me to believe that what the Russians can do is essentially equal to what the Americans can do.  The design philosophy is different...you have alot of redundancy and older tried and true methods (most of their designs don't have fly-by-wire yet) for making things work but its certainly no less effective in what I've read.

And yes the F/A-22 and the stealth technology that is in that fighter is very impressive but my whole point is that if the F/A-22 is cancelled then there is no F-15C replacement and therefore the dominance of US fighter planes is significantly reduced by new generation of fighters from Russian manufacturers and from Europe.  Obviously pilot training in the US is very good and they do have some of the best pilots around (although Canadian pilots have ranked number one in a number of excercises :D) so you boost your advantage and thats why the F-15 has a 101 to 0 kill to combat loss ratio....but that is diminished if your opponent has better jets and better or equal weapons.  An F-15 in a close in fight is not going to be as good as a Su-27 and inevitably you are going to find yourself in a close in fight.

And I was under the distinct impression that the EF2000 is super manuverable because of 1) Unstable design 2) Thurst vectoring 3) Forward canard planes.
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Offline Nico

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All the jets ahve unstable design ;)
The Typhoon has no thrust vectoring anyway.
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B1 Lancer.  Goes supersonic at sea level and drops more bombs than you grandmother.

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B1 Lancer.  Goes supersonic at sea level and drops more bombs than you grandmother.

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Offline neo_hermes

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Thats my second favorite Jet Turnsky. :)

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Offline Beowulf

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The 14 Bis, because it was the first flying vehicle ever built.


Thats debatable.

Does it really count if it cant be controlled anyways? Flight is controlable. Skydiving isn't flight, it's just a fall. That hunk was just a uncontrolable lift jumper thing.
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Vertical take off and landing? I didn't know US marine pilots had equipment capable of that - thought it was only the British Navy and their Harriers. What does the US use for VTOL?


Ground support.

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Offline IceFire

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All the jets ahve unstable design ;)
The Typhoon has no thrust vectoring anyway.

Ahh you are right...the Typhoon has no thrust vectoring.  I've read that it may be an upgrade to the system later on.

Some jets are significantly more unstable than others.  The F-16 for instance was designed specifically to be unstable and to take advantage of that by using fly-by-wire as well as computer control to keep the aircraft stable.  Translates into superior manuverability and more edge in the flight envelope.

The Rafael was designed the same way.
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Under normal circumstances, I'd find that funny. But the fact that whoever did that doesn't even know how to spell destroys any humor what-so-ever.

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Offline Nico

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The Rafael was designed the same way.


Rafale. Rafael is my dickheaded neighbour :p
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Offline Turnsky

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Under normal circumstances, I'd find that funny. But the fact that whoever did that doesn't even know how to spell destroys any humor what-so-ever.

What is this world coming to?


actually, it was the only decent payload shot of the b52 i could find.
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See that? That be a dangerous aircraft right there.
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See that? That be a dangerous aircraft right there.

in the right hands, of course;)
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Hence the carefully selected choice of image :nod:
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Offline Flipside

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LOL I like the fact the refuel hose makes him look like he's got a lance fitted to the front of the plane ;)

 

Offline TrashMan

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The f-14 Tomcat ownz you.




IMHO the best looking jet fighter in the Navy. :D ....Plus it's what my dad flow in...:P




*note to self: make FS model based on it*


I SECOND THAT! Too bad Grumman abandoned the Super Tomcat project....
Apart from the F-14, the A-10 Thunderbolt 2 and the B-1B Lancer are my favorites.
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