[Ace]

The SAAB Viggen. It's just got that cool delta wingy sort of thing going on.

[Rictor]

Right, lost one out during a pretty short conflict against, and I'll admit it, a vastly inferior (technologically) foe. IIRC, and I may not be, the F117 hasn't flown bombing runs over too many countries with any real AA power to speak of yet, so not much chance for anything to shoot it down.

Though its still a miracle compared to the Apaches. Every time they go into a warzone, they're dropping like flies. At least the US had the good sense to cancel the Commanche, though that was after something like 8 billion dollars was wasted.

[Drew]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon

SR-71 Blackbird.

[Flaser]

IIRC the SAAB has inhereted several aspects of the Typhoon - however I'm not sure wheter they were in the original Eurofighter program or not.

[Nico]

My two modern favourites:



the Northrop YF23 Black Widow ( which owned the F22 on any regard save for supercruise, so they chose the raptor, go figure ), which is absolutly gorgeous



http://www.military.cz/russia/air/suchoj/S_32/s_32.htm
The Sukhoi S37 Berkut, coz it looks out of a sfi-fi movie

For fun:

[Nico]

Originally posted by Flaser
IIRC the SAAB has inhereted several aspects of the Typhoon - however I'm not sure wheter they were in the original Eurofighter program or not.

The Vigen? Not quite, it entered production in 1971

Originally posted by Thorn
Bah... The SR-71 is cool, but its unarmed Unless you consider cameras armaments...

Then search for YF-12, my good man
ot let me do it for you:

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Thorn
And how many went down because of pilot error/equipment failure?

think about half a dozen.

so you don't think Iraq had decent AAA coverage?

if the 117 wasn't used (ie an f16 or 14) we'd have lost dozens of them.

[mikhael]

You under rate US Navy pilots, Bob.

Not that you aren't probably right, but I gotta stand up for my Naval brethren.

[Gloriano]

F-22 black window
ju87b-1 stuka
su-37
F-15

[Bobboau]

well it isn't there fault if the fighter around them simply falls apart, I remember there being a string of 117s crashing due to mechanical failure in the late 90s

[mikhael]

I was talking about your saying that Tomcats (which would be Navy pilots) would get shot down indiscriminately by Iraqi AAAF. The 117s are flown by Chair Farce--er Air Force--pilots.

Anyone who can't land on a moving runway in the dead of nights with darken ship in effect isn't a pilot, damnit.

[neo_hermes]

I rather like the Marine's New F-35B

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael
I was talking about your saying that Tomcats (which would be Navy pilots) would get shot down indiscriminately by Iraqi AAAF. The 117s are flown by Chair Farce--er Air Force--pilots.

Anyone who can't land on a moving runway in the dead of nights with darken ship in effect isn't a pilot, damnit.

US marine pilots are pussies, they need longer runways on their carriers to be able to land

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Nico

US marine pilots are pussies, they need longer runways on their carriers to be able to land

 yeah, not like the british or australian pilots.
 "Runways?.. BAH!, we'll just park it into the nearest pub ":p

[Nico]

Well, we make our carriers too short, so we have to be even better

[Windrunner]

JAS 39 Gripen is one of my favourites

[Flaser]

Eurofighter2000/Typhoon



I guess you're rigt Nico, it was only I wild guess on my part, since I've heard of the EF program for quite a while, unlike the SAAB counterpart.

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by Nico
Well, we make our carriers too short, so we have to be even better

IIRC you guys also use AV-8B (?) Harriers. Which are quite inferior in top speed compared to more traditional fixed engine fighters. So my F-14 Tomcat can outrun your AV-8B Harrier anyday.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Nico


US marine pilots are pussies, they need longer runways on their carriers to be able to land

Well yeah, but that's because all Marines are pussies. But that doesn't matter. All the things a Marine pilots off a carrier are VTOL. As for the long runways, see, we think ahead and make the runways on our carriers longer than we need (right now), rather than make them too short for even our current needs.

[Nico]

Originally posted by HotSnoJ
IIRC you guys also use AV-8B (?) Harriers. Which are quite inferior in top speed compared to more traditional fixed engine fighters. So my F-14 Tomcat can outrun your AV-8B Harrier anyday.

No, we don't use Harriers. We use Super Etendards ( old planes ) and now Rafales ( which owns your puny F14 on every aspect ).

Super Etendard in the back, Rafale M in front.