[IceFire]

I'm somewhat of a optimistic skeptic on the nature of UFO's (I'm not really quite sure what to believe) but this is an interesting story I just saw on Daily Planet (on the Discovery Channel) which doesn't come from a drunk man at 3:00 am with a video camera.  This comes from a Mexican military aircraft with military grade IR and radar abilities.

Not sure if anyone heard about it but here's at least one link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3707057.stm

Absolutely fascinating and the source is fairly credible compaired to the usual assortment.

I'm still thinking its probably not aliens and yet another relatively undocumented and unobserved meteological phenomenon like ball lightning, sprites, St. Elmo's Fire, and other odd things that happen in the atmosphere.

From the video that they had...its quite obviously not a star reflection and there are apparently corresponding radar and IR signatures which means to me that there was something there to bounce those reflections back (i.e. its not a reflection from venus).

So what in the heck happened?  Anyone?

[Beowulf]

Yeah, it is cool. I watched it something like five times. The lights looks like pairs of reflections, one set being a copy of the other set, all except that little light that circles one light in each set. Interesting that only 3 showed up on radar (albiet ~Mexican~ radar), when they clearly form two sets of lights, each a set of three.

In general: Why is the Mexican military credible when sightings by American military an airline pilots aren't?

Edit: wow, that's lot of sets...

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Beowulf
Yeah, it is cool. I watched it something like five times. The lights looks like pairs of reflections, one set being a copy of the other set, all except that little light that circles one light in each set. Interesting that only 3 showed up on radar (albiet ~Mexican~ radar), when they clearly form two sets of lights, each a set of three.

In general: Why is the Mexican military credible when sightings by American military an airline pilots aren't?

American military sources are perfectly credible (again with advanced IR and radar sensors to back up or disprove the event)...provided that they actually come forward and talk about it.  Airline pilots as well...lacking the sensor data and the detailed recordings (audio/vis) but being trained to operate in the sky.

From what I saw...there are two reflections (one above and infront and one behind and at the back) and three in the center which I believe are the ones that they were actually detecting and their radar giving a reception.

[Beowulf]

You have a good point about the commercial pilots, altough I've heard some pretty clear stories of impossible craft being spotted flying or hovering, what ever you call it, right alongside an aircraft.

All in all, it's a pretty interesting video. I would wonder if they have any other videos, in regular spectrum or such.

[mikhael]

UFOs? Certainly. Aliens? Absolutely not.

[jdjtcagle]

I'm with Micheal
Hot Air Balloons with Bright Lights, maybe??

[mikhael]

Any number of things. I just don't buy into aliens visiting Terra. There's just too many basic things that make it unlikely.

[übermetroid]

Why not?  Could be.  

[WMCoolmon]

Looks like they tried to cloak, but the engine glows didn't cloak along with them.

Anybody have their SN? Sounds like a bug for mantis, should be pretty easy to fix.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by ubermetroid
Why not?  Could be.  

Little things. Like physics.

[jdjtcagle]

Uh...Oh.. Sounds like WMCoolmon needs some sleep.

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by mikhael


Little things. Like physics.

Physics can be broken, or so I heard:confused:
Really though, space doesn't follow physics sometimes

[IceFire]

Could be drug smugglers with christmas lights too

OR

Alien drug smuggers with christmas lights...one doesn't know.

[jdjtcagle]

Three words -- SANTA CLAUSE!!! -- err, something

[WMCoolmon]

They don't look like Christmas lights, though.

Hmm...the engines look a lot like those on the cruiser from TBP. Er, assuming they bright lights are engines. Has there ever been any race thought up that was dumb enough to fly around in bright lights?

Oh yeah, the Organians from Star Trek.

[übermetroid]

As unlikely as it sounds there is always the possibility that it was an Alien.

It just could be .0000000000000000000000000000001% chance that it is one though.

I like to hope that it was one.  

[Bobboau]

I know of an Alien that made a battle mech that had a cloak that cloaked the mech but not the pilot.

"I believe they could feel we were pursuing them,"
were have I heard something like this before.

[Ace]

My question is why the **** would any aliens with visible spectrum cloaking technology not be able to hide from radar and infra-red?

I need to have a little talk with those folks' (the aliens) CO, afterall they're doing a sloppy job...

[Bobboau]

well we didn't have radar and IR sensors for the last ten thousand years...

[übermetroid]

maybe they forgot to switch the IF and Radar cloak on...