[Janos]

Mexican Airforce Never Forget!

On the side news, Mexico and Cuba were engaged in some sort of quarrel a while ago. I would pay to see those countries duking it out, because neither has any capability to really wage war overseas.

It would be like Luxemburg vs. Azerbaidzan.

[J3Vr6]

My question is why the hell are they in Mexico?  Maybe they're trying to cross the border like all the other mexican aliens.

[jdjtcagle]

[Nico]

Originally posted by Bobboau
I know of an Alien that made a battle mech that had a cloak that cloaked the mech but not the pilot.

"I believe they could feel we were pursuing them,"
were have I heard something like this before.

I know him too

[mikhael]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle


Physics can be broken, or so I heard:confused:
Really though, space doesn't follow physics sometimes

Really? Where? When?

[phreak]

singularities

[Flipside]

Space doesn't break the law of physics, it's as simple as that. However, we may have completely the wrong laws of physics to apply to that particular bit of space Physics are man-made, space is actually there

[ARothers]

Well I think that there are aliens out there, this universe is too massive not to have other intelligent life out there.  Whether they visit Earth or have that technology is another matter.

But would they want to visit us?  Probably not, we're just too violent as a species that they may not want to have anything to do with us.

[Jiggyhound]

or too stupid

[jdjtcagle]

Mic-- Basically what Flipside said, I say that because eery time they look they are confused at they way stuff works and can't figure it out with our laws of Physics

[Flipside]

Or waiting for us to blow ourselves up so they can put the planet to better use

[Jiggyhound]

or maybe they're already here    

[mikhael]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Mic-- Basically what Flipside said, I say that because eery time they look they are confused at they way stuff works and can't figure it out with our laws of Physics

Yes. Exactly what he said:

Originally posted by Flipside
Space doesn't break the law of physics, it's as simple as that. However, we may have completely the wrong laws of physics to apply to that particular bit of space Physics are man-made, space is actually there

In other words: nothing violates physics.

Where did the Aliens come from? Nowhere in OUR neighborhood. Our light-horizon is 26 billion lightyears across, and nowhere in the local 100-200 thousand lightyear sphere is there a structured RF source.

FTL without RF? WTF? Not bloody likely.

[castor]

Naah, forget the physics.
Obviously they are wandering spirits, demons or that sort of thing..

Hehe, whatever

[IceFire]

Originally posted by mikhael


Yes. Exactly what he said:


In other words: nothing violates physics.

Where did the Aliens come from? Nowhere in OUR neighborhood. Our light-horizon is 26 billion lightyears across, and nowhere in the local 100-200 thousand lightyear sphere is there a structured RF source.

FTL without RF? WTF? Not bloody likely.

Isn't that even a bit too big.  I mean the radio signals we've been sending out from the planet for the last 100 years or so have gotten how far was it?

[mikhael]

Nope.

See, HUMAN RF signals have only traveled to fill a sphere approximately 400 light years across, since we've only been transmitting RF for the last 200 yrs. For the last 100 yrs, we've been transmitting RF continuously, with a huge rise in the last 50 years.

I'm giving these mythical aliens a huge head start on us. For them to be as far away as 200 thousand light years, they would have had to transmit their first RF signal 200 thousand years ago. That means they would have to be 200 thousand years more advanced than us.

Nothing in the local 200 thousand lightyear radius sphere exhibits a structured RF signature. If they'd been using RF during all that time, every radio antennae on earth would be catching Zarfnab's Ochre Oldies 385.9 ZKBR regularly. But we're not. Everywhere we look in the night sky, the closest thing we get to a structured RF signal is a pulsar.

I'm not saying there's no aliens, and I'm not saying that they wouldn't be advanced. I am saying that given the evidence, there's no post-information-age alien race anywhere in OUR neighborhood.

[karajorma]

You're making certain assumptions about alien technology and psychology their Mik.

On the whole I tend to agree that there's probably not anything nearby and certainly nothing visiting us to conduct anal probes but I can think of several reasons why there could be aliens as close as the Centauri system and we still wouldn't hear anything.

[mikhael]

I'm making basic assumptions about neither alien technology, or psychology.

Perhaps you could suggest a plausible scenario in which a civilization could exist less than four light years away, develop FTL travel and never have either never developed RF in any manner (and remember, structured RF isn't just television and radio signals. Your car's engine, your microwave oven, and a nuclear reactor all give off measurable structured RF signals) or it developed it and gave it up just in time to make sure that all their signals washed past us before we developed it (and yet they somehow retained the high technology needed for FTL).

I'm a skeptic: I'm not interested in fanciful silliness. I want logic. I want something that could be plausible within the realms of the observable measurable universe. Anything else is just religion and mythology.

[IceFire]

I didn't know car engines gave off RF intereference.

I know that darned well most things seem to give off some sort of RFI and its really hard to find a place on this planet anymore that is RFI quiet (thus all the shielding on wires and whatnot).  My question is...would you pick that sort of thing up 200 light years away.  Johnny the green and purple alien just turned on his microwave to heat up some alien ice cream (you heat alien ice cream ok )  and the inhabitants of earth are listening to the ice cream melting.

Obviously overdone...but if we didn't have TV/radio mass media type broadcasting and say we didn't have cars but we did all have microwaves...what the heck would you hear from Earth if we isolate it down to a single item (for instance).

[mikhael]

The problem, Icefire, is that a Microwave's RFI is structured. Its not the random noise of background RF. Further, its "louder" than the cosmic background. Besides that, having a microwave but not radio or television or anything else implies that somehow, the aliens just decided not to follow a line of research at all anymore.

I might assume a lot of things, but I'll never assume that the aliens are lazy or stupid. They'll be at least as motivated and intelligent as us.