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Insane idea: Zero-G Troopers!
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Yea, I can see it now...a whole platoon of marines dropping into the atmosphere, dressed in spacesuits, and burning up :p
Seriously, I really don't think there's a viable reason as to why the GTVA might want to put a crapload of people out in space on a garaunteed suicide mission (on purpose, I mean :D).


Why would that be a suicide mission? Fighters have enough problems with hitting targets of their size, such small soldiers armed with missles should have excellent surviveability, at least when compared to their durability. And they would certainly distract enemy pilots from the real threats: fighters, because if they do not pay attention to Zero-G soldiers, they are going to be ripped to pieces with missles. And as I said, they would be *still* better off than Marines, who can't help their mothership in *any* way when it is attacked.
Besides, that's why transports go into atmosphere first.:p And in case of asteroid bases, you do not have that problem.

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Was that really necessary?


Sorry, I was a little pissed off. No offence was intended for anyone concerned, other than Arabs that blow themselfes up, of course.
Consider this "Al-Quaeda in SPAAAACE!!" then.

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Originally posted by Flipside
My concerns are that a laser shot is about three times bigger than a human. You'd ram more than you shot, you'd need loads of them to be effective, which would reduce the number of other ships available.

Since most capital ships have several thousand crew, you'd need at least around 150-200 Marines to secure an area aboard and start operations, and this is whilst the ship is being pounded by cannon and beams. It's a nice idea for space combat, but I don't think it would work in FS2 :(

It might be useful as a one off, where you have to get aboard a vessel to plant a bomb or tracking device, but you'd have to do it like a stealth mission, where you had to stay away from the escorts, but it seems like an awful lot of effort just for a single specialised mission.


I am not so sure about the ramming. They aren't your wingmen, after all.:D And, again, they are not *designed* to be fighter killers. They are used as additional missle platforms and as a distraction to support their own fighters. With good agility and small size, you'd need a limited number of soldiers for that, and for ground combat work, well... you need troop transports for that anyway, and with Zero-G soldiers, you will have advantage when figthing inside asteroid bases and in boarding actions.

Actually, you would need very few Zero-G Troopers to secure the ship, as only anti-tank and anti-fighter weapons carried by Marines on-board the ship could really hurt them. There is just too much armor for shrapnels and conventional firearms. Think "Shivan boarding action" for effects.
They might be also useful as deep-space S&R teams, for example a team that goes to check a wrecked Orion destroyer for survivors, like GTD Legion from OTT ship pack. Docking bays are too damaged for transports, so Zero-G units are deployed in the big hole in the side of the ship.

And I plan to make a mission showing them off when I make the model and get it into Freespace. It would be, basically, a boarding action against a disabled GTD Orion with soldiers deployed from enemy destroyer's fighter bay, with player protecting the Orion. That should show me just how well the Zero-G Troopers fare when put against fighters.

 
Insane idea: Zero-G Troopers!
Ummm if they were 5-6m tall due to power armour, how would they be effective INSIDE a ship?

 

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Hunched over - they are 2-3 meters tall. If you kill the artificial gravity all the corridors do fine since I dount their "upward" crossection would be bigger than 2meters x 2meters.

...and you had to move all that material inside the ship.
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Ummm if they were 5-6m tall due to power armour, how would they be effective INSIDE a ship?


I said *maybe* 5-6 meters. 4 or 4.5 meters is much more likely, and this is acceptable size.

BTW, in case anyone wonder, the missle tubes are designed to fold on their back above the jetpack when inside a ship, so it doesn't impede them.

 
Insane idea: Zero-G Troopers!
Shivans are one thing, but humans?
do not make them into actual fighting forces, but give them the ability to latch onto ships, like literally "stick" when they want to (think gravity boots) then you can have a mission where a marine force of a rebellion in desperation plants mines on the evil empire's carrier to destroy it...

...okay maybe that's a little too far...(Damnit, tis a shame Descent 3's source code isnt public, one could learn a lot for this kind of thing from that)...

if you REPLACED all the ships in FS2 with mechwarrior type ships, then you wouldn't have a scale problem at all, now would you? then just scale the shots down, etc.

I can see how it would work as a TC, but NOT as an addition to the FreeSpace 2 universe. Not a chance in hell.

 
IF I remember correctly clan pilots are like 6-7 foot tall cause of genetic engineering... Now as they fit inside their mechs faily snug (power armor responds to the movements of the operators arms and legs NOT normal controls exclusively) Think of oversized medieval FULLPLATE. so 10 foot tall max is more realistic. These are really tiny mechs... In starship troopers (the book) the marines wore form fitting power armor with powerful jump jets who carried their main weapon (a rifle) but they would be dwarfed by an elemental by a good 2-3 feet! Different tech levels can make power armor from almost skin tight to the size of a small mecha so you have to determin what level the GTVA falls into.

   I love the idea and myself had wanted to mention it before but I didn't want to be first lol. I had that model of the XWA ZGtrooper but didn't know HOW to impliment it (in fact I may have deleted it?). I can see a mission where you protect cargo ships and the marines are fighting it out inside with the crew and depending on HOW many transports you protected weither they succeed or fail in the boarding action. (two sets of coms created one showing better and better results, the other how it all goes to hell in a handbasket!).

    As for the model IN game I offer an additional use, someone mentioned engineers. How about people in eva suits working on the ships in dock?(ala the opening scene in ST TMP), ALso that guy who gets whacked by the Vger cloud at that listening post as he tried to use his jets to outrun the weapon discharge (RUN RUN! Nope he died...). If you use common sense and it is done well  I think these type of uses (once in a great while) can be a VERY cool thing.

   One final idea, a rescue mission, remeber when Matt Shepard (from crusade) is with 2 others inspecting the outside of their Nova and a Shadow vessel whacks it so it jumps out and leaves them, the other two die and he is stranded out in space with 2 hours of air left? How about a crew recovery of that nature (this is defiantely a one shot)... Thoughts?
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After the Great War forming this kind of marine group would be logical - but due to the lack of known Shivan threat their actual presense by the Capella area would be minimal.
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Insane idea: Zero-G Troopers!
I still think they would work well as a boarding party, going in through the fighter bay to capture the launch area, even if it's short term, would severely cripple a Destroyers' Anti-Bomber capabilities ;) I seem to recall from another thread people talking about the ridiculous amount of megatons blast a single Hornet missile is capable of, so I dread to think how these poor marines would cope in combat, or how big these little portable missile launchers are ;)

Anyway, as has already been said, the rules of Gameplay are the ones you choose, so, I hope it works out as planned for you, besides, the missile blast levels really are way way too big imho. :)

 
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LMAO, the Training Laser could kill a human in a spacesuit

 
When I am planet side in the field I use the training laser to microwave my rations! (just rememebr do NOT look directly at the light) ;)
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Maybe one day i'll get round to making my Moonraker mod......

 

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Shivans are one thing


"points to sig"

Meh, I've had many requests for those damn shivans, and when they're released, nobody even use them :p
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ooh, interstellar roadkill, i like. :p
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I say :D! Good idea!
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you say they would add a challenge for the player, but they wouldn't be a threat and would be so easy to kill that you could just ignore them.


make Tarren, and Vasudan, and Shivan ones with one gun for each, then make them easy to blow up, and vary slow so they could do combat in space for a mini light show! cool for bording missions by shivans.
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Originally posted by Nico


"points to sig"

Meh, I've had many requests for those damn shivans, and when they're released, nobody even use them :p


Maybe because we don't have any terrans or Vasudans for them to fight.:D

 

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Damn, Nico release that stuff. Who cares if you don't like it, we certainly will. :D
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Uhh, you can download the files in Nicos sig by clicking on the pictures...
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Ooo... I need to look at sigs more often. :yes: this is great stuff Nico :)
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No tbl data, no pof data, it's up to the modder to do what he wants/needs.
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