[Gank]

Originally posted by HotSnoJ
No, I said I hadn't read the whole thing and that I assumed that I agree on most points. And now that I've had a chance to read it, I do disagree with the health care part. And I seriously doubt that part about people like me and Hitler. 1) because he was a facist. 2) America isn't killing "jews, gays, retards and other people considered subhuman" (your words not mine) to further political gain or personal hatered.

I wasnt comparing you directly to Hitler or calling you a fascist, I was comparing your assumption of agreement with everything the site said with 1930's germanys acceptance of hitler because he wasnt all that bad in the start. Hitler got into power because he told the people exactly what they wanted to hear, its an extreme example but you should always read the small print, never assume that because you like one bit you'll like the rest.

[Knight Templar]

Power to the people, so long as they don't talk.

[Reez]

or sneeze too loudly

[Singh]

Originally posted by Ace


Sure the US works, but what about secularism, "liberal activists" and other threats to Christendom that the US system allows for? You also mentioned religious tolerance. That's good and fine, but that opens the door towards agnosticism, atheism, etc. How are you going to make sure that Christianity stays the majority in your society and that it doesn't drift from that?
 

And why would I want just Christianity to be the majority in my society? ;P

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Power to the people, so long as they don't talk.

The people are morons. They should be tested before being allowed any power.

[kode]

Originally posted by Reez


that's cuz Sweden is the country of government ownership and blonde hookers. It works well!

yeah... we're slowly going more and more to the right, tho.

[Rictor]

to the right, eh? so like, you no longer get a fat cheque from the government each month "just in case you need it comrade"? Stuff like that? :D Sweden, the most leftward leaning democracy on Earth. I think you would need about 50 years of right-ward sliding government to catch up to the where the world is, which you should be thankful for. Hopefully, it goes the other way around, and the world soon catches up to you..

[übermetroid]

Originally posted by karajorma


The people are morons. They should be tested before being allowed any power.

Starship troopers?  

[Knight Templar]

Exactly.

[Reez]

Originally posted by Rictor
to the right, eh? so like, you no longer get a fat cheque from the government each month "just in case you need it comrade"? Stuff like that? :D Sweden, the most leftward leaning democracy on Earth. I think you would need about 50 years of right-ward sliding government to catch up to the where the world is, which you should be thankful for. Hopefully, it goes the other way around, and the world soon catches up to you..

On the other hand, your furniture stores need to start giving what they promise. Ikea needs an assembly line that doesn't involve the consumer.

[.::Tin Can::.]

I saw this on the O' Reily Factor last night...

[Reez]

saw what?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by ubermetroid
Starship troopers?  

I actually meant more in terms of a test to see if they know the policies of the parties. There's too much of "I won't vote for party A cause they'll raise income tax" So they vote for party B who simply raise every other tax except income tax and end up paying more.

In addition to this an informed electorate is the biggest danger politicians like Blair or Bush face.

Plus when people see that voting is an earned right they'll use it more.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by karajorma
Plus when people see that voting is an earned right they'll use it more.

and that their vote DOES have value.

[karajorma]

With a more informed population who'd vote for the idiots we currently have in charge? The problem is too many people vote for the lesser of two evils.

[Rictor]

thats true. informed voters would dethrone Bush and Blair is an instant. But with the corporate media playing yes-man to the politicians, whats the likelyhood of that happening?

[karajorma]

That's why you need a test. It would be up to the voters to educate themselves. If they can't be arse except to listen to the claptrap the media puts out then they'll fail and won't get to vote.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma
With a more informed population who'd vote for the idiots we currently have in charge? The problem is too many people vote for the lesser of two evils.

If course, the problem is that in the UK there isn;t really a lesser of 2 evils..... maybe the Lib Dems, but everyone knows they're not going to win.  So you have labour (bush-pandering, PR-spinning, donation influenced murdoch worshippers), vs the tories (asylum seeker scapegoating,  public spending cutting, isolationist opportunistic chancers).   and they both supported the war, so you can't even split them on that.

And thats excluding not one but 2 fringe parties - the racist BNP, and the quasi racist, Kilroy-Silk (*hack* *spit*) UK independence party.

[karajorma]

Actually most people consider Blair to be the lesser of two evils. I don't think many actually wanted Blair the last two elections. They just definately didn't want the tories back.

Even now the only reason why Blair gets any votes is cause people don't want to let the tories in.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by karajorma
With a more informed population who'd vote for the idiots we currently have in charge? The problem is too many people vote for the lesser of two evils.

"The Dixie Chicks stated they were ashamed that President Bush came from Texas.  I'm ashamed this is the best over 100 million voters could come up with" - ME