[ChronoReverse]

Eh?  Same way you adapt to normal weapon... "modulate the shields"

On a more serious note, what makes you think that their energy shields can't also be force fields?  They have plenty of those.

[Knight Templar]

Yes, but the whole point of 'modulating the shields' is that they are adding that phaser frequency or whatever into their shields or whatever, which makes them block it. Last I checked, bullets didn't have frequencies, and if they did, then you should learn to use swords/knives better. Unless you're telling me they should just modulate the shields again....

[Tiara]

Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Erm, actually, the Holodeck includes replicators that create real object to interact with as well.  Therefore, those Tommy Guns "could" have been firing real projectiles if the holodeck program decided to do so with the safeties off.  Of course, they don't actually tell us

Replicators are probably only for the food as you can't take the props out of the holodeck (unless you want a madman to be able to take weapons from the holodeck)

KT, the federation shows that they possess shielding that blocks KE. As in security forcefields, ship shields, containment forcefields etc. Borg have assimilated Feddie ships thus Borg must have KE shielding they can use to adapt to.

[Knight Templar]

They've never shown to have that on drones though.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
They've never shown to have that on drones though.

Because they never used projectile weapons. Besides the odd fist of bladed weapon they never had to adapt. And why adapt to fists and blades? They repair that damage almost instantly. As the Borg would say; "It's inefficient use of our energy."

[karajorma]

Never had a reason to. As Tiara says, if Picard had continued to use the tommy gun we would have seen it but as it was the borg were surprised.

[Hippo]

I was under the assumption that in theory, the Holodeck made a bullet shaped force-field (along with the gun, and the people, etc) and then projected the bullet onto the frcefield, and then pretty much geo-modded itself through the scenery, and when it came to the borg, well, a fast moving force field that has the same resiliancy as  bulet would kill if the computer wasn't told not to let anything kll...

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Hippo
I was under the assumption that in theory, the Holodeck made a bullet shaped force-field (along with the gun, and the people, etc) and then projected the bullet onto the frcefield, and then pretty much geo-modded itself through the scenery, and when it came to the borg, well, a fast moving force field that has the same resiliancy as  bulet would kill if the computer wasn't told not to let anything kll...

Except that it is an energy forcefield. Energy impacts do not create Kinetic Energy because it has no mass ->

KE = 1/2mv^2.
When m = 0 then KE = 0

Simple physics.

[Hippo]

It doesn't need kenetic energy... It is something that for all intensive purposes can be considered solid, moving at high seed into another object... If the computer puts a force field there, and moves it into something and the safeties have been disengauged, you're going to get a hole, regardless of what its made from...

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Hippo
It doesn't need kenetic energy... It is something that for all intensive purposes can be considered solid, moving at high seed into another object... If the computer puts a force field there, and moves it into something and the safeties have been disengauged, you're going to get a hole, regardless of what its made from...

Still not KE It might be thermal energy though. Or some form of technobabble energy.

[ChronoReverse]

@Tiara

AFAIK (and assuming the TNG technical manual isn't completely wrong... and a lot of Voyager episodes seem to be based on it, ugh), the Holodeck *does* create some props dynamically using replicators as well as using forcefields for tactile feedback.

[Tiara]

The incident we're talking about was onboard the Enterprise. Now, I highly doubt they'd replicate weapons so that just any person could use them. Besides, we've never seen anyone leave with any object without it disappearing. See Voyager where the Hirogen extended the holodeck. Janeway's WWII rifle couldn't get past the sections without holo-emmiters. This allows us to deduct that weapons and bullets are 100% photonic + energy forcefields. And again, energy cannot have KE because it has no mass. In essence any projectile weapon on the holodeck is an energy weapon.

[Taristin]

...didn't they replicate food?  Howsat work, then?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
...didn't they replicate food?  Howsat work, then?

Energy -> matter conversion and rearranging of molecules.

But if they had applied that to holo technology for weapons Janeway would've been able to carry it out of the holodeck perimiter. Which she obviously couldn't.

[Kazan]

A moving force field can apply KE to an object

A force field CANNOT be KE-neutral, otherwise it would be unable to hold something back, and therefore would not be a force field