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Offline Kazan

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http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040308&c=1&s=kennedy

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They distort the truth about tobacco, pesticides, ozone depletion, dioxin, acid rain and global warming. In their attempt to undermine the credible basis for public action (by positing that all opinions are politically driven and therefore any one is as true as any other), they also undermine belief in the integrity of the scientific process.

Now Congress and this White House have used federal power for the same purpose. Led by the President, the Republicans have gutted scientific research budgets and politicized science within the federal agencies. ... The very ideologues who derided Bill Clinton as a liar have now institutionalized dishonesty and made it the reigning culture of America's federal agencies.
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Interesting editorial...  That is all.  I can't say anything more except I wish it had hard evidence I can look at (ie. references).
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um READ CLOSER for those references, use google on the names

if you for a second thing that this article is unsubstantiated you're living with blinders on
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I saw this in there banner add and decided that it wasn't worth reading further

obviusly this is a politicaly motivated site and can't be trusted
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I saw this in there banner add and decided that it wasn't worth reading further

obviusly this is a politicaly motivated site and can't be trusted



:lol:
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Not everything he's saying is hot air.

NY Times on the scientist accusations
$quot;Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.  And I'm not sure about the former.$quot;
 - Albert Einstein

$quot;It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.$quot;
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Now moonsword's I'd rather read...
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none of it is hot air

bobboau: they don't have to authorize the banner ads - they don't manage those themselves

don't you know anything about web adverts j00 n00b :P
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I don't happen to think he's blowing hot air, I was providing tangible proof that at leaat part of his statements weren't.

I agree with Kazan and Kennedy, and find this alarming.  The fact that this is not the first report on the situation lends some credibility to the claims therein.
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The Nation is indeed a political journal, leftward specifically. But that doesn't mean the information isn't accurate, or that the picture it paints is not truthful.

...

YESSSSSSS!

I go to read the article, innocently enough, but what should I see? An advert for The Corporation on the website, and considering that The Nation is one of the biggest bastions of the left, this means that The Corporation is finally recieving mainstream attention.

*does happy dance*

 

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I read most of the first page and didn't feel like going further as it seemed to go in circles already.

you know this guy is/was an "environmental lawer" sounds like he makes a liveing by pushing a certan agenda, at the very least he is not an unbiased source. he's part of the environmental lobby, and you can't listen to him any more that you should someone from the tobaco lobby, the logging lobby, the oil lobby, or the council for the furtherment of family values (I made that last one up ;) )
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bobboau: alteast his facts can be correlated independantly

when the **** did you go conservative
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I didn't, I have an extreemly high threshold of proof for things that have political ramifications becase there are astronomical amounts of power and money pushing in both directions.
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so do i -  i  just pay a lot of attention so this article isn't anything i haven't heard before numerous times and have seen the evidence for
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Wait, everybody knows the stuff in your list is bad, so if Bush lies about it...? Hoorra, that means tobacco isn't dangerous after all!
Pffff.
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The problem with statistics with a political bias is they are easy to fudge on because the people with the power often don't have the understanding to make informed decisions based on available data.

You can perform tests that bias your findings with a certain political agenda, and I(who has an different political agenda) can perform the same tests in a different way to bias the results toward my POV.  

It's almost impossible to get an unbiased, policy free, truly scientific results from anyplace of renown.  Somebody pays the bills and that somebody has to be kept happy.

Global Warming for instance, Eco-Nuts can produce studies that say mankind has at best 10 years and we'll all suffocate in our own pollution.  I on the other hand, do not believe that mankind has anywhere near the capacity to wreck a planetary enviroment.  Small pieces of it, sure, but the whole thing?  After all we only have about 200-300 years of scientifically recorded data to use to make guesses about climatic change.  Many of the thing Eco-Wackos assume to be caused by man could just as easily be part of some cycle that we can't perceive because it's so long.
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Global Warming for instance, Eco-Nuts can produce studies that say mankind has at best 10 years and we'll all suffocate in our own pollution.  I on the other hand, do not believe that mankind has anywhere near the capacity to wreck a planetary enviroment.  Small pieces of it, sure, but the whole thing?  After all we only have about 200-300 years of scientifically recorded data to use to make guesses about climatic change.  Many of the thing Eco-Wackos assume to be caused by man could just as easily be part of some cycle that we can't perceive because it's so long.


Except that I haven't seen a single recent scientific paper that disputes global warming.
 
You've actually hit upon a good example of exactly the kind of problem that Bush's policies on science are causing. Instead of listening to the scientists you dismiss anyone who disagrees with your stupid, ill-informed attitude as an Eco-Nut.

You'll forgive me if I prefer the data presented by 2,500 climatologists in a recent IPCC report to the comments of Liberator who (And lets be fair to him) knows BUGGER ALL about climate change.
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Wait, everybody knows the stuff in your list is bad, so if Bush lies about it...? Hoorra, that means tobacco isn't dangerous after all!
Pffff.


wtf are you talking about - every reputable study shows that tobacco is universally harmful
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I'm sure you did it on purpose. You can't be that dense, right?
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