[jdjtcagle]

just found a enteresting part:

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto  you these things in the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Possibly he means he got his genes and looks from David? Not sure.  He is not God's look, for nobody can see God, you see him through Jesus.

[Liberator]

The Trinity(at least as I understand it)

God == Jesus == The Holy Ghost/Spirit

Let me use Andromeda as an anology.  Andromeda(the one on the screen) is like God, he controls all things and it is by his will alone that we exist at all.  Rommy(the android) is like Jesus, he is a piece of God, separate but connected to God to the point where they are the same being.  Rommy(the hologram) is like The Holy Ghost, it is the part of God that nudges and whispers in our ears and sometimes shouts to get us to follow his will/plan for our lives.

All three are separate, but all three are the same being.  God is omnipotent and can do stuff like that.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Erm... would this do?
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=my+father&x=20&y=8&SearchType=AND&version=NKJV&restrict=New_Testament&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0

Yep, but if he is god why did he call himself a prophet?

Originally posted by Sandwich
How am I actively trying to bring about the end of the world?

...And how did you know that??!?

I said people like yourself, not you in particular. Naturally I have no way of knowing if you are trying to bring about the end of the world.

Originally posted by Sandwich
Israel started the 1948 War of Independance. Right. I sure hope you don't (didn't?) try to pull that fleece over your history professor's eyes in college.

The very name of the war says it all.

Originally posted by Sandwich
I'm not quite folowwing what you're saying here. How would you understand those prophecies then?

I'd keep an open mind and not rule out any possibilitys.

Originally posted by Sandwich
True. Erm... what was the point of this particular line of debate?

Wasnt really a debate, I just said they seemed like different Gods to me.

Originally posted by Sandwich
In a way, they are - a way that could be emcompassed by the meaning of those verses. They're laying claim to the eternal birthright that God gave to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descendants forever. They're thinking that they will replace the Jews in God's plans, inheriting all God's promises to the Jews. So in a way, it could be seen as them saying "we're the Chosen People, God's promises to the Jews are to us now."

Which sort of fits. It could be. It's just a thought. But I can't think of anything else it could be at the moment... which means absolutely nothing, of course.

Hmmm, you're really stretching that one, several other more likely possiblies spring to mind, like those of Judaic faith but not descented from the Judaic people, ie the Khazars mentioned in the above article, or those who claim to be of the jewish nation but not the judaic faith. Kinda fit, just a thought.

[jdjtcagle]

Jesus is a prophet because he changed some of god's rules... this is for sure, but I can't remember what they are...
Ex.
>DT 24:1-5 A man can divorce his wife simply because she displeases him and

>both he and his wife can remarry.

>MK 10:2-12 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery.



God works in mysterious ways.  Even though they are confusing, you should stick to what you believe, for he hasn't gave up completely on us.  Trinity is very confusing... I got to call some people to find out, though. I'm blank right know

[jdjtcagle]

http://www.newlightministries.com/trinityq.htm

Looks promising...
I'm going to read over it and see what to think

Scripture does not say Jesus is the Father. It simply shows us that the Father and Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) are the God that we know as Jehovah. This may be one of the reasons Jesus told us in John 5:23 that believers are “to honor the Son just as they honor the Father.” When we honor Jesus we honor the Father (John 12:26). Yes, the Trinity is a difficult concept to fully comprehend. Fortunately, God does not say we have to be able to fully comprehend everything about him (at least not in this life). In fact, whether we fully comprehend the Trinity isn’t the real issue at all. He simply says we must know and trust Him. John 17:3 says that eternal life is wrapped up in knowing God, not in taking in knowledge about him. John 5:39 says we can know all about the Scriptures, yet miss the most important fact of all…that we must come to Jesus alone for life. The apostle Paul’s greatest goal in life was to know Christ (Phil. 3:7-10). That is our highest calling…to know Jesus. To know Jesus is to know God, and knowing God is what life is all about.

[.::Tin Can::.]

I wish people could leave religion alone. I mean seriously, why does anyone even care?

It seems of all the religions in the US, Christians and Catholics at times are being reported and complained about the most.

[jdjtcagle]

What do you care??
leave the thread... hey there's an idea

[.::Tin Can::.]

I asked you first. Why do you care, after all, since this topic meritted 4 pages...

[jdjtcagle]

I care!?!?

ROTFL...
What do you think religion is?
My way of life, my god, my beliefs. This thread was going great until you started with this why care? why keep on? sort of deal.
Real intelligent on your part, stop being obnoxious and go somewhere else.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Bah. Eat your toe nails.

The thing is, I present my "no-care" attitude because nothing good ever comes from religious discussions where both sides have a different opinion, no matter how small. I have witnessed such things on so many, many occasions that it just drives me nuts. Watch, within the next few pages I will probably get involved...

[jdjtcagle]

This not and athiest vs religion...
some good could come from this, nobody has been immature about anything so far. Now leave this thread to be... or atleast what I'm arguing about is trying to understand my religion more...

[.::Tin Can::.]

Well, jesus loves you.

But I think you're a jerk.

[Kazan]

some of us care because Religion is the greatest threat to the survival of the human race and we see it daily **** up lives, daily **** up science, daily **** up society

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
If he says "I'm THE son of god", he can't be god... can he?

The Pharisees didn't like him precisely for the reason that claiming to be one meant claiming to be the other.

Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Got to look this up! Do you know where you can find where it talks about the trinity?

The Trinity is a theological area implicitly covered by the Bible. But you'll never find the word trinity in the Bible, if that's what you mean.

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Well, jesus loves you.

But I think you're a jerk.

I know, you too

You came on a little strong, I don't wan't to offend you, but what's done is done.  Be carefull, you are the only person who has this problem.

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
I asked you first. Why do you care, after all, since this topic meritted 4 pages...

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by Setekh


The Pharisees didn't like him precisely for the reason that claiming to be one meant claiming to be the other.



The Trinity is a theological area implicitly covered by the Bible. But you'll never find the word trinity in the Bible, if that's what you mean.

Found that out... actually
But yes Trinity is a word created by man...
It does not mention the three for many possible reasons other than he ain't the true messiah.  It mentions the coming of Jesus in the First bible, and that he would bring changes to the world.  NOT saying I know what you believe

[mrduckman]

Originally posted by Kazan
some of us care because Religion is the greatest threat to the survival of the human race and we see it daily **** up lives, daily **** up science, daily **** up society

I agree to this a hundred percent.

[jdjtcagle]

Because it's true, doh

[Liberator]

Interesting counterpoint to Kazan's veiwpoints:  He is very eager, almost happy to point out the failures of religious dogma.  Like much of the world he is lost in the dogma and misinterprets dogma for the actual message of faith.  All Christian Denominations, including Catholicism, agree on several main points.  

1)God, the same God as the Jews(hence Judeo-Christian), has stated repeatedly through the Bible, that all Humanity is guilty of sin.  Sin is going against what God's stated rules of behavior, as well as direct orders.

2)Sin has only one possible punishment, death, both Physical and Spiritual.

3)God originially provided a single way for only the Jews to escape Judgement.  To be Lawful, that is to follow the Law that God set down for the Jewish people which included of blood of the purest, most unblemished Lambs once a year by the High Priest, in a place in the Temple called the Holy of Holies, literally in God's physical presence according to the Bible.  The High Priest had to have a rope tied to his ankle, because the possiblitiy was not insignificant that he would be struck dead because of some unrepented sin.

4)God in his infinite mercy, made the ultimate sacrifice, in the form of His son, Jesus Christ upon the most horrific method of execution ever created by man, crucifixion.  This was a sacrifice so pure and holy that the Veil that separated the Holy of Holies from the rest of the Temple was torn asunder.  This is a symbol that God had chosen to no longer separate Himself from his creation as he had in the past.

5)Jesus sacrifice opened the path to eternal life in heaven to all mankind, all that is required is a truthful and honest acceptance of Jesus into your heart as saviour and lord.

Any arguments of Dogma and Theology are purely manmade and thus of no true use in understanding and having a relationship with God.  All that is required is a clear mind, an open heart and a clear understanding of Jesus teachings in the Bible.

Any opposition by a Christian of a given life choice or life style is based on a love of life and all it's potential, not the desire to stifle and control every single aspect of people's lives.

[Flipside]

I'm fine with religion as long as it affects nobody but the believer. Alas, this is untrue of all major faiths I always felt it was the need to aspire to something greater, and that means making powerful sacrifices, like accepting the truth, of abhoring violence, because we can choose not to be.
Yet, strangely enough, it is the major religions that are one of the main culprits for dragging us screaming from that plataeu over and over again. If all religions preached 'love God in your own way, and think not of people as things', which most religions claim, then that is what it says. it's easy to say 'Well, my way of worshipping is to burn people at the torch if they don't convert, but that is humanity interpreting, not God speaking. We need to tell the difference between the two