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Offline vyper

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3892527.stm

We cannae be doing with this nonsense. When is Blair going to hear that the British people don't want to be part of this? :sigh: :blah:
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Offline Zeronet

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When they vote no to the Referendum he's giving us?
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Offline aldo_14

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I'm voting yes, BTW.

 

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It's already been stated they'll just go back and renegotiate the treaty - i reckon enough times to sicken the majority of voters into not voting in the 5th or so attempt and thus it'll get through, or it will be forced through anyway.
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[q]I'm voting yes, BTW.[/q]

Traitor.
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Offline Tiara

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YES! Let's suck 'm dry and then dump 'm in the US's lap :D

:p
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Offline Zeronet

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Me too if its after September 7th.
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Offline aldo_14

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[q]I'm voting yes, BTW.[/q]

Traitor.


Xenophobe

 

Offline vyper

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There's a difference between being xenophobic and fearing the destruction of one's country and culture at the hands of a corrupt, ever more centralized system of Government.

You may have overlooked the latter.
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Originally posted by Tiara
YES! Let's suck 'm dry and then dump 'm in the US's lap :D

:p


You jest, but Chriac would love to.
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Offline Tiara

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Meh, people are just afraid of the future. it's gonna happen anyway. One way or the other. Sooner or later.
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Offline aldo_14

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There's a difference between being xenophobic and fearing the destruction of one's country and culture at the hands of a corrupt, ever more centralized system of Government.

You may have overlooked the latter.


I just want the euro, actually.  Don't see a major difference in being run from Brussels rather than Westminister, and I'd rather be european than British.

'sides which, my country and culture survived the act of Union as much as it could have, despite the likes of Culloden (in particular).  I see no reason to fear the EU any more than I do the current government.

 

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[q] it's gonna happen anyway. One way or the other. Sooner or later.[/q]

And if you want to be part of it, fine go be part of it but don't force or expect other countries to.

[q]I just want the euro, actually. Don't see a major difference in being run from Brussels rather than Westminister, and I'd rather be european than British.

'sides which, my country and culture survived the act of Union as much as it could have, despite the likes of Culloden (in particular). I see no reason to fear the EU any more than I do the current government.[/q]

aldo Scottish culture is barely existent. We're a tourist attraction ffs. Our own native Gaelic speakers are in a minority. There's probably more people speaking Urdu and Punjabi than Gaelic.

Do you want whatever is left of our history of being British (which we have at least some link left of) to be rolled over by mainland Europe? Controlled from people who are not Scottish, English, Welsh, any small group you could comically name?
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Offline Tiara

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[q] it's gonna happen anyway. One way or the other. Sooner or later.[/q]

And if you want to be part of it, fine go be part of it but don't force or expect other countries to.

We're already part of it and our culture hasn't changed a bit. Your fears are completely unsubstantiated. Any degradation of your culture is to blame on yourself, not others. And we're not 'forcing' you into anything. That's just something you hold in your head as an excuse to bash the EU.
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Offline vyper

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[q]We're already part of it and our culture hasn't changed a bit.[/q]

[q]That's just something you hold in your head as an excuse to bash the EU.[/q]

Then why can EU courts over-rule mine?

Why do we have european directives on working weeks we didn't even hear of until they passed?

Why does certain EU members take out exactly the amount of money the UK puts in?
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aldo Scottish culture is barely existent. We're a tourist attraction ffs. Our own native Gaelic speakers are in a minority. There's probably more people speaking Urdu and Punjabi than Gaelic.

Do you want whatever is left of our history of being British (which we have at least some link left of) to be rolled over by mainland Europe? Controlled from people who are not Scottish, English, Welsh, any small group you could comically name?


Culture isn't controlled by governments, though.   It's controlled by the people - look at how, for example, the Catalan and Basque identity survived Franco.  Scottish culture is different from before, but it's there.

And yes, I'd rather be considered part of a european wide community than being part of a British community - because I feel more european than British.  Anyone asks me, I'm Scottish, not British, so why should I care about the latter?  What is history but ashes & dust, anyway?

 

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[q]so why should I care about the latter? [/q]

Because it's historical global dominance has provided you with freedom?

[q]What is history but ashes & dust, anyway?[/q]

Tell the jews that.
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Offline Tiara

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Originally posted by vyper

Because it's historical global dominance has provided you with freedom?

You're joking right? :rolleyes:
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Offline vyper

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No, want to provide me with information on what great historical contribution your country has made to freedom and the progress of civilisation? Compared to Britain and when we had the Empire?

I guess it'll be propaganda from your own nation's history anyway - so don't bother. Men died to keep my country free, both Scotland as Britain, so I sure as hell won't bend over and let a new bunch of European imperialists act like they're better than us.

<< goes to bed

edit: fixed a typo with country, must've been subconcious ;)
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p.s. any other brit patriots feel free to jump in at any time while i'm gone
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