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Offline Singh

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A lot more than we could probably raise.

We're really just clinging onto little strings of hope, here........


well, one of us could take a loan, buy the darn thing, and then repay it by having FS2 priced at 10$ and sell it off en-masse packed with SCP, Inferno, Derelict and other mods.

With the power this community holds, we won't have a problem with marketing or finding a customer base....and after the loan is repayed, it can go back to free :D
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well, one of us could take a loan, buy the darn thing, and then repay it by having FS2 priced at 10$ and sell it off en-masse packed with SCP, Inferno, Derelict and other mods.

With the power this community holds, we won't have a problem with marketing or finding a customer base....and after the loan is repayed, it can go back to free :D


what would be nice, would be if Interplay could get, say, a massive tax rebate or something for giving the license to us gratis, and then having the game - bundled with the best mods - re-released online as charityware.

Not likely, though.

 

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How about this? We make a deal with Interplay or w/e. We get the liscence, we give him 30 percent of the profit on all FS-based or FS-engine based games for 3 or 4 years?

Or is that illegal?

 

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Oh? You have friends at Interplay willing to make a deal with us? If so, get them here... :doubt:
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How about this? We make a deal with Interplay or w/e. We get the liscence, we give him 30 percent of the profit on all FS-based or FS-engine based games for 3 or 4 years?

Or is that illegal?


I doubt it's strictly illegal, but Interplay isn't going to be around in 3 or 4 years.  They're liquidating, they're disappearing from the face of the Earth.  They need cash, NOW.  Not later, now.  We need the money, upfront and in cash.
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I doubt it's strictly illegal, but Interplay isn't going to be around in 3 or 4 years.  They're liquidating, they're disappearing from the face of the Earth.  They need cash, NOW.  Not later, now.  We need the money, upfront and in cash.


All the more reason to make a deal where we pay them later :p

I agree though. They won't be interested in a buy now, pay later deal when they have a cash deal from DS on the table and are desperately low on funds.
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Uh, has anybody even considered the, you know, rather necessary step of how we're gonna raise the funds? Someone posted a few links to the proper government forms to file for this sorta thing, and that was basically ****ing it. You're all getting ahead of yourselves- **** how much money you say you would give, **** how to negotiate with Interplay, fu- okay, don't **** with what we're gonna do with the license if we ever get it, that's important, but seriously- someone else ****ing help out with setting this thing up. We need webspace, we need a reliable, trustworthy proxy who'll pool the money gathered both at HLP and by symps elsewhere, we need it, like, this ****ing weekend.

I've already offered to help fill out the forms. I'm not the best person to do it, but I'll give it a shot. If someone else offers in the next couple hours, they are totally welcome to that job.  That's step one almost outta the way.

Now, someone needs to set up somewhere to put this money, and a way everyone with a credit/debit card/paypal account can get to it. It's gotta be absolutely secure and trustworthy, else nobody, especially not I, will send any money to it. There should be a mechanism to relatively painlessly return funds to those who donated them should the effort fail. While it's possible that just setting up an online bank account and letting Steak have exclusive withdrawal access would do the job, ideally no single person should be able to, say, siphon off funds- even if we know they wouldn't do that, there's lots of people who don't, and the attempt to raise enough cash will founder on them.

Someone needs to set up a webpage with a submission interface for it- simple as humanly possible, designed like a standard Web order form so nobody'll get confused, needs fields for the relevant amount/pay type/info stuff, name, whether they want the donation to be anonymous, **** like that. Someone with, y'know, PHP experience, which'd probably mean Styxx if he's willing.

Someone else needs to give the page all those nice things like 'special thanks' listings and regular insults and Derek flames to get the hate crowd (by far the largest interested group) going. This could really be anyone who's remotely personable and has at least the IQ of a concussed squirrel, which most likely means someone like aldo or Shrike or Setekh or whoever- if nobody is interested (which I doubt) I'll do it on a weekly basis unless I get shipped out to Morocco or wherever this year, but ideally someone else should. I'll check with an0n to see if all this **** can get hosted on a Nodewars page, he's probably got more capability to deal with a large influx than anybody else.

Once we've got that settled, and the account is working and getting its inital donations, then everyone can settle back and worry about all this other stuff- it'll be a while before there's a need to act again on that front. But first things ****ing first. Until then, any other talk on the subject will probably strictly counterproductive. That means you too, Stealth.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Uh, has anybody even considered the, you know, rather necessary step of how we're gonna raise the funds? Someone posted a few links to the proper government forms to file for this sorta thing, and that was basically ****ing it. You're all getting ahead of yourselves- **** how much money you say you would give, **** how to negotiate with Interplay, fu- okay, don't **** with what we're gonna do with the license if we ever get it, that's important, but seriously- someone else ****ing help out with setting this thing up. We need webspace, we need a reliable, trustworthy proxy who'll pool the money gathered both at HLP and by symps elsewhere, we need it, like, this ****ing weekend.

I've already offered to help fill out the forms. I'm not the best person to do it, but I'll give it a shot. If someone else offers in the next couple hours, they are totally welcome to that job.  That's step one almost outta the way.

Now, someone needs to set up somewhere to put this money, and a way everyone with a credit/debit card/paypal account can get to it. It's gotta be absolutely secure and trustworthy, else nobody, especially not I, will send any money to it. There should be a mechanism to relatively painlessly return funds to those who donated them should the effort fail. While it's possible that just setting up an online bank account and letting Steak have exclusive withdrawal access would do the job, ideally no single person should be able to, say, siphon off funds- even if we know they wouldn't do that, there's lots of people who don't, and the attempt to raise enough cash will founder on them.

Someone needs to set up a webpage with a submission interface for it- simple as humanly possible, designed like a standard Web order form so nobody'll get confused, needs fields for the relevant amount/pay type/info stuff, name, whether they want the donation to be anonymous, **** like that. Someone with, y'know, PHP experience, which'd probably mean Styxx if he's willing.

Someone else needs to give the page all those nice things like 'special thanks' listings and regular insults and Derek flames to get the hate crowd (by far the largest interested group) going. This could really be anyone who's remotely personable and has at least the IQ of a concussed squirrel, which most likely means someone like aldo or Shrike or Setekh or whoever- if nobody is interested (which I doubt) I'll do it on a weekly basis unless I get shipped out to Morocco or wherever this year, but ideally someone else should. I'll check with an0n to see if all this **** can get hosted on a Nodewars page, he's probably got more capability to deal with a large influx than anybody else.

Once we've got that settled, and the account is working and getting its inital donations, then everyone can settle back and worry about all this other stuff- it'll be a while before there's a need to act again on that front. But first things ****ing first. Until then, any other talk on the subject will probably strictly counterproductive. That means you too, Stealth.
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Offline Stryke 9

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Which I am aware of. It'd certainly be amusing, and, well, a far better idea than me doing it, at least.

 
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Am I the only one who thinks we don't even have nearly enough money to buy the licence?

 
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er... this may be a very stupid question, but i'll ask anyways... why don't you just ask interplay? or ask someone who would know.

another very stupid question, is the original dev team still working for [V]?

see, before we even go through all the trouble of setting up the money part, we need to ask all the stupid questions. I mean, we have to make sure that it's possible before we proceed, not just wing it when we get there.

 

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Am I the only one who thinks we don't even have nearly enough money to buy the licence?


You're not.  As much as the idea appeals to me, the odds of it happening are slim to none.  There are a lot of reasons, of course.  The first is most of us are dirt poor.  I can pony up $500, but most people here are still getting allowances from mom and dad.  There's no way they could even come up with even a fraction of that.

Second:  We don't know how much we need in the first place.  Not even a solid ballpark figure.  And with all the hoopla over this, an estimate made, say, a week ago is horribly out of date, as its value has likely shifted greatly with all the sudden interest.  How much is it worth to us?  How much is worth to Interplay?  We have no idea, and no one here has yet to step and do it.  (Don't look at me, my own issues with phones aside, I'm not much for doing this kind of thing at all.)

Third:  Having documents around is nice and all, but let's be honest, we need a lawyer to do most of this, including the negotiating.  Anyone know a lawyer?  Anyone know how much retaining one costs?

IF everyone on this board donates some money, IF we find a lawyer who will do the work on the cheap, IF we know we can come up with a competive bid, we MIGHT be able to do it.

We could also grow a fifth leg and turn into Shivans.  It probably won't happen.  The most we can do is make our opinions known, well known, push ahead with all our normal projects and hope.  You never know.
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It's not so easy to contact Interplay these days. They got kicked out of their offices recently, for one.

 

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Eish: Actually, Zarathud's a lawyer. That's why Bob just called him in. And while it's possible (if not probable) that HLPers don't have enough money between them, there's a lot of people out there who loathe Derek Smart and would be willing to give $5-$10 to piss him off, and a fair number of Freespace fans that wouldn't be exactly spontaneously orgasming at the thought of him touching the title and would likely donate some amount more. Get support from some larger group with more clout (like Penny Arcade, to take the extreme example), and that could be a whole hell of a lot of small sums pouring in, which could add up.

And, y'know, it's worth a shot anyway, just to see what we can do. This community'd turn awful grim with the idea that maybe everyone coulda changed things but didn't if Smart gets the license and nobody does anything.

 
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*This post has been edited by me because everybody is a paranoid monkey!*
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erm...you've just committed a federal offense...
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Yeah, I advice that Tin Can you should edit that post/remove
But I can't force only admins can do that

and well we talking about Derek Smart here
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Kidding guys. :rolleyes:

Of all the people you should know that. ;)

 

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then indicate that with at least a smiley, in a court, out of context, it does not look like a joke, in fact, even if intended as such, courts don't take litely to such kind of jokes...
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Eish: Actually, Zarathud's a lawyer. That's why Bob just called him in. And while it's possible (if not probable) that HLPers don't have enough money between them, there's a lot of people out there who loathe Derek Smart and would be willing to give $5-$10 to piss him off, and a fair number of Freespace fans that wouldn't be exactly spontaneously orgasming at the thought of him touching the title and would likely donate some amount more. Get support from some larger group with more clout (like Penny Arcade, to take the extreme example), and that could be a whole hell of a lot of small sums pouring in, which could add up.

And, y'know, it's worth a shot anyway, just to see what we can do. This community'd turn awful grim with the idea that maybe everyone coulda changed things but didn't if Smart gets the license and nobody does anything.


Well that's part of the problem solved, but what about the rest?  And what do we do with all that money if we fail to get the license?  Do we give it back?  How do we keep track of it all?  There's a lot that has to be done for something like this, and I'm not sure we'll ever be able to do it all at all or even in time to make a bid.  It's a long shot, a worthy one, yes, but a long one.  If this is going to go forward, we need to start doing it, now.  We may not get another chance.
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