[Knight Templar]

Dude, they've hated us since the Emancipation Proclamation.

Nobody here seems to know exactly why though...

[Taristin]

That was one of the funniest things I've ever read. But good to know where they stand.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Well, at least they're...uh...kinda with us.

[Baron MacDoblin]

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[Sigma957]

But for how long though

[jdjtcagle]

I didn't know there was so much friction there, sad really

[Baron MacDoblin]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle
I didn't know there was so much friction there, sad really

As a regular CIC poster, I can say with absolute certainty that the average WC Forumer thinks less about Freespace then a fish thinks about space probes.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by chris_2xtreme
here are links to where this is mentioned

Penny Arcade

BlueNews

Ve3D

Relic Forums

WC CIC Forums

TFN Forums

hope this helps to spread the word

Thanks, chris. If you don't mind, I'll use this list later in a news post on the front page.

[Tiara]

We still have 75 users online The 'advertising' was... effective...

[Setekh]

It really is nuts. We had even more posts today than yesterday, which I didn't even think was possible.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Dude, they've hated us since the Emancipation Proclamation.

Nobody here seems to know exactly why though...

According to them, Freespace didn't sell well ( which is true ), and that led editors to think that the genre was dead, so, by extention, it prevented any WC sequels ( I'm astonished the FPS genre is still alive with all the failures it suffered from, if you follow that... kindda flawed - to stay polite - logic ).
Then, they claim FS2 is a complete clone of Prophecy. Considering FS2 is about exactly FS1, with prettier graphics, should we have the same mindset as them, we could claim Prophecy is a FS1 rip-off.
The real fact is that they never could stand WC:P low ratings compared to FS2 . Well, they started that ridiculous "war" on their own and, for the most part, it's a one sided grudge, many people here like WC as well ( and don't give a damn about the CIC people, when they even know the CIC ), the problem is that the majority of the active CIC community are what you call real fanboys ( that term has taken such an insulting tone lately ), they dress up like federation pilots, and have fun detroying boxes from whatever spacesim that is not WC ( coz yeah, whatever they say, of course, they hate every space sim as long as it's not WC ), so they're kind of fanatics. And you know how fanatics are? ( just check HLP right now for a reality check )

[Gloriano]

good thing about that Penny-arcade thread was i did find this from PA forums http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=69399&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

end of OT

[Baron MacDoblin]

Originally posted by Nico
According to them, Freespace didn't sell well ( which is true ), and that led editors to think that the genre was dead, so, by extention, it prevented any WC sequels ( I'm astonished the FPS genre is still alive with all the failures it suffered from, if you follow that... kindda flawed - to stay polite - logic ).

I'm assuming you mean "publishers" rather than editors - in that case, yes, Freespace 2's failure did kill several rather highly anticipated (and I'm understating here) projects, including Privateer Online. My understanding here is that the Privateer Online people saw FS2 as being the vanguard of the new wave of space sims (even referencing it as their primary competition in their pitch), so you can understand the frustration in the community when FS2 flopped at the market and those project ended up getting the ax.

Then, they claim FS2 is a complete clone of Prophecy. Considering FS2 is about exactly FS1, with prettier graphics, should we have the same mindset as them, we could claim Prophecy is a FS1 rip-off.

Yes, because Prophecy ripped off a game which came out after Prophecy was released! Wait, no.

And I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim FS2 is a '"complete clone" of Prophecy - and hardly anyone say the same about Freespace.

The real fact is that they never could stand WC:P low ratings compared to FS2 .

I don't know what sector you live in, but over here Prophecy and FS were about equally well received.

the problem is that the majority of the active CIC community are what you call real fanboys ( that term has taken such an insulting tone lately ) they dress up like federation pilots,

Oh my God! They were dressed in costumes! At a costume convention! Clearly, this is a sign of the GREAT SATAN!!1111

(yeah, I know Dragon*Con isn't strictly a costume convention, but there's enough of them there for it to qualify.)

and have fun detroying boxes from whatever spacesim that is not WC ( coz yeah, whatever they say, of course, they hate every space sim as long as it's not WC )

Yeah, and the US Navy has the phrase "sink the army" in its anthem. Clearly America is on the VERGE OF CIVIL WAR!

so they're kind of fanatics. And you know how fanatics are? ( just check HLP right now for a reality check ) [/B]

[TopAce]

Wait, if FS2 was a failure in the field os sells, what will become of FS3 if DS really fails to create a worthy successor?

[Tiara]

I don't know what sector you live in, but over here Prophecy and FS were about equally well received.

*COUGH*

Gameranking:
WC:P -> (Overall rank; 1009) (PC Rank; 322)
FS2 -> (Overall rank; 127) (PC rank; 23)

Even AVault agrees;
WC:P -> 2 1/2 stars out of 5
FS2; -> 4 1/2 stars out of 5

[Setekh]

Both of you, please read my thread at the top of Hard Light. You are both on the same side here, lay off each other for a while.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Baron MacDoblin


I'm assuming you mean "publishers" rather than editors - in that case, yes, Freespace 2's failure did kill several rather highly anticipated (and I'm understating here) projects, including Privateer Online. My understanding here is that EA bigwigs saw FS2 as being the vanguard of the new wave of space sims, so you can understand the frustration in the community when FS2 flopped at the market and those games ended up getting the ax.

Well, you can't blame the game for that, though - it lived up to it's billing - it was the best ever made.  

Blame Interplay for poor marketing, or the fickle nature or the market, if you blame anyone.  Although it's the market that's probably 90% to blame.  Hell, maybe WC's reputation* as being effectively an interactive movie with sparese shooting bits hurt the genre too.

*certainly, that was my perception of how the series had went.  and that was before I had even heard of Freespace.

I dunno, though - any feuding between communities of the same genre, after this many years, just seems to be a bit...petty.  But then again, who expected logic on the internet?

EDIT; Actually, I read that thread.  It's only the admins who seem to be acting petty over it(the whole Derek smart situation), the vast majority of the normal forumites seem to be decent & understanding over why we're concerned.

[Baron MacDoblin]

Both of you, please read my thread at the top of Hard Light. You are both on the same side here, lay off each other for a while.

I'm not here to start a flamewar, but I think these issues need to be addressed when they come up. I certainly wouldn't have picked now as the time, but it came up now, so now it is.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Baron MacDoblin


I'm not here to start a flamewar, but I think these issues need to be addressed when they come up. I certainly wouldn't have picked now as the time, but it came up now, so now it is.

Well, i think - after all this time - we (FS & WC) should be on the same side.  Because both our favoured games franchises may well be up **** creek, unless one our the other releases a sequel that can somehow revitalise the market.  Unfortunately the converse - and this is what I fear - a poor sequel could have the direct opposite effect.

[Singh]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Well, i think - after all this time - we (FS & WC) should be on the same side.  Because both our favoured games franchises may well be up **** creek, unless one our the other releases a sequel that can somehow revitalise the market.  Unfortunately the converse - and this is what I fear - a poor sequel could have the direct opposite effect.

What would be most ironic would be that we ending fighting Mr. Smart together, defeating him and then working together to somehow make a WC-FS2 crossover that kicked ass and was declared the next bit in the WC/FS series timeline.

Dangit......I AM going crazy.