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Offline Stryke 9

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Right, Styxx, Setekh, etc.: Sorry about the new thread, but the old one's half spam and nobody seemed to have a clear idea of what was going on, anyway. Hopefully starting fresh will clear the air. Also, if any spam (i.e. people making crap posts based on their personal opinions about our chances of raising enough money, whether it's even worth it, etc.) appears in here, could one of y'all delete it? It really kills any productivity when half the people in a discussion are just flapping their lips and not doing anything.

Now. This is getting kinda annoying. There's a few very fundamental steps that need to be taken in order to set up this fundraiser to buy the Freespace license, after which everyone could freely discuss it all they like, but as of now none of that's gotten anywhere. So. I will reiterate what needs to be done- it's all pretty basic, at least once we get past the stage of who's-doing-what, and everyone needs to figure out that part of it and start doing it. Really, the amount of good an attempt to raise cash for the license is gonna do drops exponentially after the end of this weekend, since outsiders will lose interest, someone else will buy the license before we even get a chance to get if off the ground, etc.

To reiterate:

I've already offered to help fill out the forms. I'm not the best person to do it, but I'll give it a shot. I was too exhausted last night to start it properly, so yeah, this is still at zero, but in all honestly I'm kinda shocked that nobody else offered to help or anything. If someone else offers in the next couple hours, they are totally welcome to head that job. It's mostly a buncha boring form-filling, y'all have done taxes before. That's step one almost outta the way, albeit probably the least critical one- we could get by without any charity status whatsoever, it just makes it more appealing to the large bidders. Link will be posted in a minute.

Now, someone needs to set up somewhere to put this money, and a way everyone with a credit/debit card/paypal account can get to it. It's gotta be absolutely secure and trustworthy, else nobody, especially not I, will send any money to it. There should be a mechanism to relatively painlessly return funds to those who donated them should the effort fail. While it's possible that just setting up an online bank account and letting Steak have exclusive withdrawal access would do the job, ideally no single person should be able to, say, siphon off funds- even if we know they wouldn't do that, there's lots of people who don't, and the attempt to raise enough cash will founder on them. Do NOT just post if you've got an online bank account- like I said, this needs to be something a bit more reputable than the infamous boob-job thing. Setekh has already, unless I'm mistaken, volunteered to man this in another thread (and feel free to correct me if I got the wrong impression), everything will default to him if there is not an easy way to set up an independent account.

Someone needs to set up a webpage with a submission interface for it- simple as humanly possible, designed like a standard Web order form so nobody'll get confused, needs fields for the relevant amount/pay type/info stuff, name, whether they want the donation to be anonymous, **** like that. Needs to send the money to the account and the other stuff to a single reasonably protected database, 'cause we'll probably need it. Someone with, y'know, PHP experience, which'd probably mean Styxx if he's willing.

Someone else needs to give the page all those nice things like 'special thanks' listings and regular insults and Derek flames to get the hate crowd (by far the largest interested group) going. This could really be anyone who's remotely personable and has at least the IQ of a concussed squirrel, which most likely means someone like aldo or Shrike or Thunder or whoever- if nobody is interested (which I doubt) I'll do it on a weekly basis unless I get shipped out to Morocco or wherever this year, but ideally someone else should. I'll check with an0n to see if all this **** can get hosted on a Nodewars page, he's probably got more capability to deal with a large influx than anybody else.

Once we've got that settled, and the account is working and getting its inital donations, then everyone can settle back and worry about all this other stuff, like negotiations with Interplay and all- it'll be a while before there's a need to act again on that front. But first things ****ing first. Until then, any other talk on the subject will probably strictly counterproductive. That means you too, Stealth. Agreements? Disagreements? False statements about penis size or potential donation amount? Other thread.
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Just wondering, what kinda of goal amount are we going for here?

 

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To be determined, I think. The guess is $150,000, but that's without anybody having done any research. Someone'll have to talk to Interplay to get that information.

 

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To buy a company: take the gross yearly sales (or the net, depending on the accountant) and double or triple it.

So, take the gross average yearly sales of both titles, over their lifetime, and double it. It will have to be far more than about 500 grand, which is probbaly the minimum an all new game budget would be, and that would be a budget for about 12 months. So, you'd want to recoup development costs.

So, if interplay were funding a dev team, and they paid 500 g's to build it, then, they would want to see at least that in sales (actually, probably at least double that in sales, but lets just break even), that means they would be looking for 1M in sales, maybe over a 2 year period.

I expect that fs1 and 2 sales combined were under that number (500 a year), given the ridicule we have subjected them to for bad sales.

Now, they are NOT a healthy company. But, I would seriously expect that it is worth more than 150k.

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the above is a gross oversimplification of an extremely complicated valuation process, FYI.
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That's fine. Your guess is not really worth anything at this point, 'cause we really don't know. If someone contacts Interplay and gets a figure, that's worth hearing, albeit not in any fucking way relevant to this thread. Until then, idle speculation elsewhere.

 

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That's fine. Your guess is not really worth anything at this point, 'cause we really don't know. If someone contacts Interplay and gets a figure, that's worth hearing, albeit not in any fucking way relevant to this thread. Until then, idle speculation elsewhere.


I just sent an e-mail to [email protected]. That's assuming if they still use it.
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Yeah, it'll definitely be a problem finding out who's still employed there, and hence what's still working. Phone would probably be best, but if you can email them that's gravy.

Anyone got anything on the account front?

 
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Nope, I'm a minor, and note even a minor in the States at that. Too much complications.
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I can provide webspace with PHP and MySQL, although I've got no MySQL experience so I'm not the man to set up the form.
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Hmm. I keep getting mail return errors.

According from IGN, here's the phone number and fax...

Phone
(949) 553-6678
Fax
(949) 553-9549

Unfortunatly, I'm not a conversationalist so if someone is willing to give it a shot.
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Are you sure those aren't Interplay's old numbers? Their landlord kicked them out of their office building, so those might no longer be valid. Maybe we should ask someone at NMA. They probably send gay porn to Herve Caen's inbox on a regular basis, so they'd know his email address.
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Someone else needs to give the page all those nice things like 'special thanks' listings and regular insults and Derek flames to get the hate crowd (by far the largest interested group) going. This could really be anyone who's remotely personable and has at least the IQ of a concussed squirrel, which most likely means someone like aldo or Shrike or Thunder or whoever- if nobody is interested (which I doubt) I'll do it on a weekly basis unless I get shipped out to Morocco or wherever this year, but ideally someone else should. I'll check with an0n to see if all this **** can get hosted on a Nodewars page, he's probably got more capability to deal with a large influx than anybody else.

 


I can do a simple HTML page for this that I can update every few days, unfortuneately, I'm leaving for scotland wendsday for 7 days, then i have drivers ed within hours of getting back, then i have a concert the next day, so that'll be a 9-10 day gap i'll be unable to do stuff in... Perhaps if we can get a hosted page here, that way several of us could have access to it, and then other people could update it as it became needed... (dare I say it, but a collection or fundraiser forum? It'd keep stuff neater)
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It's not exactly difficult. A shared FTP account and a timeslot schedule would mean a bunch of people could maintain the thing with a minimum of fuss.

A forum-run fundraiser would probably be a bad idea. You see how much crap fills up HLP. You can see how little constructive has actually been done here in the past coupla days. Sure, people can discuss it here or something, but that'll be separate from the fundraising process itself. Don't need anything complex like that- just simple HTML and a few blocks of text. Less is more here.

Uh... any word on likely accounts, though? I'm PMing Styxx about a sumbission mechanism...

 

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I've got an FTP account setup.

The URL it goes to is
http://s93727692.onlinehome.us/fsfundraising/

Edit: PM me if you want access and I'll make you your own FTP account, same URL.
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Uh, damn, you and an0n at the same time.

Can you take as much bandwidth as Nodewar?

 

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Aight, still need to work out an account. Waiting for Styxx to show signs of life, but I'm pretty sure that end of things can be taken care of. Any ideas, or does Steak handle de monies?

 

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5 GB/month, IIRC.
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Er, an0n says he has 30Gb. I don't honestly know if we'll even approach either of those figures, but better safe than taken down by irate webmasters.

Thanks anyway, though, really. I'm sure you could help with the webpage stuff and all.

 

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Right, Styxx, Setekh, etc.: Sorry about the new thread, but the old one's half spam and nobody seemed to have a clear idea of what was going on, anyway. Hopefully starting fresh will clear the air. Also, if any spam (i.e. people making crap posts based on their personal opinions about our chances of raising enough money, whether it's even worth it, etc.) appears in here, could one of y'all delete it? It really kills any productivity when half the people in a discussion are just flapping their lips and not doing anything.
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Agreed.

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Now. This is getting kinda annoying. There's a few very fundamental steps that need to be taken in order to set up this fundraiser to buy the Freespace license, after which everyone could freely discuss it all they like, but as of now none of that's gotten anywhere. So. I will reiterate what needs to be done- it's all pretty basic, at least once we get past the stage of who's-doing-what, and everyone needs to figure out that part of it and start doing it. Really, the amount of good an attempt to raise cash for the license is gonna do drops exponentially after the end of this weekend, since outsiders will lose interest, someone else will buy the license before we even get a chance to get if off the ground, etc.

To reiterate:

I've already offered to help fill out the forms. I'm not the best person to do it, but I'll give it a shot. I was too exhausted last night to start it properly, so yeah, this is still at zero, but in all honestly I'm kinda shocked that nobody else offered to help or anything. If someone else offers in the next couple hours, they are totally welcome to head that job. It's mostly a buncha boring form-filling, y'all have done taxes before. That's step one almost outta the way, albeit probably the least critical one- we could get by without any charity status whatsoever, it just makes it more appealing to the large bidders. Link will be posted in a minute.



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Now, someone needs to set up somewhere to put this money, and a way everyone with a credit/debit card/paypal account can get to it. It's gotta be absolutely secure and trustworthy, else nobody, especially not I, will send any money to it. There should be a mechanism to relatively painlessly return funds to those who donated them should the effort fail. While it's possible that just setting up an online bank account and letting Steak have exclusive withdrawal access would do the job, ideally no single person should be able to, say, siphon off funds- even if we know they wouldn't do that, there's lots of people who don't, and the attempt to raise enough cash will founder on them. Do NOT just post if you've got an online bank account- like I said, this needs to be something a bit more reputable than the infamous boob-job thing. Setekh has already, unless I'm mistaken, volunteered to man this in another thread (and feel free to correct me if I got the wrong impression), everything will default to him if there is not an easy way to set up an independent account.
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I suggested this in the Hardlight channel; I know the owners of a small Hungarian gaming company (4 Point Games) they run an online browser-based webgame called Droidarena. I used to write for them and know some guys pretty high up. Thing is, they won't buy the license or help us with money (all their cash goes into supporting the game), BUT, we can probably ask help in holding the rights, if not using them. They are an officially registered corporation (with a contact address in the US) and would have every right to hold onto the IP from interplay. They also have a safe, secure system for holding money and transactions (to recieve money for the Premium accounts), so we may be able to ask for help in setting up our own system or using theirs if it's possible. I still haven't asked anything yet, but I'd prefer if Setekh or someone official from HLP were to come with me when i did go to ask.

But another option was also suggested on #hardlight, that we contact microsoft on this. To me, it sounds like a good idea - as pointed out, Microsoft has developed some pretty decent gamestuff in the past, and with the publicity FS2 is getting, they may prove as a viable option.

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Someone needs to set up a webpage with a submission interface for it- simple as humanly possible, designed like a standard Web order form so nobody'll get confused, needs fields for the relevant amount/pay type/info stuff, name, whether they want the donation to be anonymous, **** like that. Needs to send the money to the account and the other stuff to a single reasonably protected database, 'cause we'll probably need it. Someone with, y'know, PHP experience, which'd probably mean Styxx if he's willing.

Someone else needs to give the page all those nice things like 'special thanks' listings and regular insults and Derek flames to get the hate crowd (by far the largest interested group) going. This could really be anyone who's remotely personable and has at least the IQ of a concussed squirrel, which most likely means someone like aldo or Shrike or Thunder or whoever- if nobody is interested (which I doubt) I'll do it on a weekly basis unless I get shipped out to Morocco or wherever this year, but ideally someone else should. I'll check with an0n to see if all this **** can get hosted on a Nodewars page, he's probably got more capability to deal with a large influx than anybody else.

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I'd recommend being cautious on NW, at best.....

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Once we've got that settled, and the account is working and getting its inital donations, then everyone can settle back and worry about all this other stuff, like negotiations with Interplay and all- it'll be a while before there's a need to act again on that front. But first things ****ing first. Until then, any other talk on the subject will probably strictly counterproductive. That means you too, Stealth. Agreements? Disagreements? False statements about penis size or potential donation amount? Other thread.


I'd rather say we get to Interplay first before Mr. Smart does; otherwise all efforts into setting this up will prove futile.
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There are few stupider things that can be done than to trust a large, publicly-traded corporation with anything. Never mind that MS would refuse, MS is a no. That other company is worth looking into, though, go to and post if they're interested.

I've not seen the Nodewars server go down in recent memory. It strikes me as more reliable than the other free alternatives, though I could be wrong.

And sure, it'd be great if someone contacted Interplay and, say, found out their asking price for the license. What I don't want is any more idle speculation. It's stupid and worthless. Also, that's about the full extent of our possible interaction with Interplay at this moment, we don't have anything to bargain with or even hold their attention for more than a few seconds, so while there's no harm in contacting 'em (we need to find their contact info sooner or later), it's not a pressing issue at the moment. The things I listed are, to one extent or another, and they're still incomplete.