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Reply #20 on: July 23, 2004, 06:32:27 pm
Hey dave :)

long time no see :)
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Reply #21 on: July 23, 2004, 06:35:32 pm
Sorry about that, Dave... what Maeg said. :o Would you mind stating what you did intend for public consumption, or should I drastically paraphrase your email?
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #22 on: July 23, 2004, 06:37:55 pm
I'll admit that dave is correct about me so far as the _VAGUE_ parellel of attitude.. however

A) I tend to listen to my audience
B) I have the skills to back my mouth up
C) I go on _Short_ tirades when i get aggravated and then generally apologize later
D) I admit when I am actually wrong (like criticising dave for small little things in fs2 despite the great big awesome ideas in the game)
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Reply #23 on: July 23, 2004, 06:41:43 pm
Nah, I'll address it here.  Was just letting everyone know that the Volition is aware of the whole FS licensing thing.  Not really much to say beyond that, that isn't idle speculation on my part. The rest was just standard email BS.

*biffs Sandwich*   :)
 

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Reply #24 on: July 23, 2004, 06:41:44 pm
Fight fight fight!

Kaz, he's probably just playing with you ;)
 

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Reply #25 on: July 23, 2004, 06:42:21 pm
This ain't the time and place man...great things are afoot.

;) ;)
 

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Reply #26 on: July 23, 2004, 06:42:31 pm
well dave, I want to welcome you back - even if you still seem to hate me :D
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Reply #27 on: July 23, 2004, 06:42:44 pm
Heh. I've had Kazan on my ignore list for as far back as I can remember. I have no idea what he's saying  ;)

In other news, my doctor has told me that my blood pressure has dropped dramatically. Wacky.
 

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Reply #28 on: July 23, 2004, 06:43:33 pm
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Heh. I've had Kazan on my ignore list for as far back as I can remember. I have no idea what he's saying  ;)

He's sucking up to you :p
 

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Reply #29 on: July 23, 2004, 06:44:09 pm
Bookmark! bookmark!
 

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Reply #30 on: July 23, 2004, 06:44:09 pm
yeah.. sure trying to end a 5 year fued is "sucking up" ... right

I am tired of being on bad terms with a really cool guy.
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Reply #31 on: July 23, 2004, 06:44:49 pm
Easy Kaz, it was a joke...
 

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Reply #32 on: July 23, 2004, 06:45:36 pm
I believe blood pressure is an important thing to watch :)
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Reply #33 on: July 23, 2004, 06:46:10 pm
Well, it wasn't just that which caused Dave to have to take a step back, perhaps everyone could learn a little lesson from it ;)
 

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Reply #34 on: July 23, 2004, 06:47:47 pm
Did it occur to anyone that this is like exactly the opposite of when Derek Smart posted here. Good news, and no flaming in sight. The posts are still piling up high, but I doubt we'll exceed our previous record. And everyone is being so....polite. Lo, behold my children, the anti-Smart has come unto us. And he has brought with him joyous tidings, and it was good.

...er, I'm just happy is all.

edit: there's not much use in changing the original text now, the cat's out of the bag, for better or worse.
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Reply #35 on: July 23, 2004, 06:49:18 pm
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*biffs Sandwich*   :)


Don't you start with me, bubba! Or else I'll have to get all serious on your... erm... yeah.

And you might want to give Kaz a chance - {C3PO voice}I do believe I've had a calming effect on him!{/C3PO voice}
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #36 on: July 23, 2004, 06:49:42 pm
I think dubbing DaveB with the title Anti-Smart might not be the best of ideas, it's rather open t misinterpretation in either direction :D
 

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Reply #37 on: July 23, 2004, 06:50:06 pm
Well. I wish I could have read that before it was removed, but I'll await the official unofficial response. :)
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Reply #38 on: July 23, 2004, 06:50:45 pm
Yeah, I don't want to be throwing barbs at other developers :)   Although he's a bit ....unorthodox.... I have a good deal of respect for Derek Smart in the sense that he has a definite philosphy on how and why games should be made and he totally sticks to it, through thick and thin.

If you took a poll of the Average Game Developer and ask what games they'd like to make if they could do anything, and probably 90% of them would answer something other than the stuff they do at work.  Derek has always just done the games he wants to do. That's pretty cool :)
 

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Reply #39 on: July 23, 2004, 06:51:32 pm
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Did it occur to anyone that this is like exactly the opposite of when Derek Smart posted here.  


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