[Tiara]

Since people have lost faith in ENT I thought I'd post this to cheer you up a bit

COTO GOES BACK TO TREK ROOTS!

Seriously, my hope for the next season has been restored by this man His episodes towered high above anything B&B put down in season 1, 2 and 3 combined. It's just that they HAD to **** up Coto's story in the last 2 f*cking minutes.

Happy happy, joy joy...

badger, badger, badger, MUSHROOM!

Discuss

[Flipside]

Looks hopeful, though I'm concerned that with too many touchstones, you might end up with Star Wars Ep 1 & 2 syndrome, but it would be nice to see the foundations for Federation 'thinking' put in place.

I think that's why Spocks era are so strict about the Vulcan ways, whereas it's eased very slightly by Tuvoks time, possibly a bit of overkill to make up for their 'mistake'?

[Tiara]

From article;

As a result of this resurgence, the political situation with the Andorians changes, and mysterious dissidents on the planet Vulcan attempt to stir up a civil war (and will later be revealed to have been Romulans in disguise)

Muhahahaha!

[Ace]

Originally posted by Flipside
Looks hopeful, though I'm concerned that with too many touchstones, you might end up with Star Wars Ep 1 & 2 syndrome, but it would be nice to see the foundations for Federation 'thinking' put in place.

Except that the problem with Ep 1 & 2 is that they didn't follow the overall feel/etc. of Star Wars. (come on the cartoony robots and stuff, sure the originals had some of that *bleep* but it was no where near as much)

Effectively, ENT has already gone through it's Ep 1 & 2 syndrome with the time travel, etc.

[Ford Prefect]

My heart is filled with illustrious joy! Enterprise was starting to look like a show made for people who liked Star Trek but wished it was terrible.

What the hell happened to the Sulliban, anyway? There was a whole story with them and some temporal cold war, and then all of a sudden it's "pr3p@r3 4 t3h ub3r-ch3@p 3xp@n$3 of n00bness!"

[an0n]

Woman, I told you about this on IRC like a week ago.

[Tiara]

I knew about this when it was posted. I posted it here because 'certain' people here on HLP didn't know...

What the hell happened to the Sulliban, anyway? There was a whole story with them and some temporal cold war, and then all of a sudden it's "pr3p@r3 4 t3h ub3r-ch3@p 3xp@n$3 of n00bness!"

They weren't in the Expanse They had no business there, the Enterprise did.

[WMCoolmon]

w00t.

I might actually watch one or two season 4 episodes now...

[Knight Templar]

Sounds good. Andorrians are fun.

[Carl]

mysterious dissidents on the planet Vulcan attempt to stir up a civil war (and will later be revealed to have been Romulans in disguise

NNNNOOOOOOOOES!!!!!!!!11111111

they aren't supposed to see a romulan face until 100 years later!

[Knight Templar]

Maybe he wasn't kidding when he said later?

[Carl]

in that case, they'd have to put it in the next series/movie.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Carl


NNNNOOOOOOOOES!!!!!!!!11111111

they aren't supposed to see a romulan face until 100 years later!

... The Rom-Earth war is supposed to be fought in the 2150-ies. AFTER the war nobody sees or hears them for a hundred years.

[kasperl]

But all the comms we're being done through voice-only, and no-one actually saw a face. That's something told by Kirk in some TOS ep.

[karajorma]

Kasperl is right there. Everyone (including Spock) is surprised at what the Romulans look like.

[Scuddie]

Here's my view on it.  TOS was the best, period.  It was a sci-fi drama, which had a perfect combination of action and adventure.  They would explore, come into conflict, explore some more, lose a few people to a rebellion, then continue exploring, etc.

When Fox created the next incarnations, they built upon the existing franchise as 80(?) years after TOS.  The galaxy was already known about, and therefor not much adventure-seeking was needed.  TNG/DS9 was about conflict with existing and new species.  The series were action-based dramas, with exception to the first season, to solidify character and atmosphere.

And then, for some ****ed up reason, Paramount created UPN, and after that, they took their creation away from Fox networks, and hosted it under their own network.  Big mistake.  After ~30 years of an idea of what the galaxy was, it was all thrown out the window.  UPN re-invented the wheel, and there were idea conflicts EVERYWHERE!  For example, the Klingons were mild mannered, easy going warriors??  That doesnt make any god damn sense!  And this whole thing about "traveling" to the other side of the galaxy, where the federation has never been before, but somehow everybody knows everybody else.

I never saw Enterprise, but I do recall someone from the Enterprise or Voyager series admit that the two series were not what Gene Roddenberry (sp?) wanted Star Trek to be.  As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek will not be Star Trek without the original directors and producers from the previous series.

[Ford Prefect]

I can see how you might arrive at that conclusion with the other spin-offs, but I personally think that The Next Generation had all the best qualities of the original combined with a more modernized show, (and better acting.)

[Scuddie]

The Next Generation and Deep Space 9 were excellent shows.  The amount of detail, passion, and overall dramatics complimented the show 100 fold.  Nothing makes a good sci-fi drama like action does, and these two series had it perfect.  In many ways, they were superior to TOS, although on many occasions, they were overly dramatic.  TOS, however, was exactly what it was, TOS.  It was the original, innovative, believeable fictional story about the future of humanity.  For that, I give it props, and with all things considered, I still think it's the best IMO.