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Offline Rictor

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/02/directedenergyweapons.ap/

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At the same Air Force Research Laboratory in New Mexico, researchers working with Raytheon Co. have developed a weapon called the Active Denial System, which repels adversaries by heating the water molecules in their skin with microwave energy. The pain is so great that people flee immediately.

"It just feels like your skin is on fire," said Rich Garcia, a spokesman for the laboratory who, as a test subject, has felt the Active Denial System's heat. "When you get out of the path of the beam, or shut off the beam, everything goes back to normal. There's no residual pain."


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If all goes as planned, the chickens will be frozen in mid-cluck, their leg and wing muscles paralyzed by an electrical charge created by the beam, even as their heart and lungs function normally.

Among those most interested in the outcome will be officials at the Pentagon, who helped fund Schlesinger's work and are looking at this type of device to do a lot more than just zap a chicken.


I for one am thrilled that, even as hundreds of millions are without food, water, shelter and basic medicine, no expense is being spared to develop the latest and greatest weapons technologies. You know, in case the conquered masses decide to take matters into their own hands.

 

Offline vyper

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I always suspected my mother was hiding weapons of mass destruction in her kitchen, damn the home shopping catalogue for supplying here with that microwave! I'll have to send a large force to remove it from our kitchen.
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Offline Rampage

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Originally posted by Rictor

I for one am thrilled that, even as hundreds of millions are without food, water, shelter and basic medicine...


That's not the responsibility of the federal government but charity groups and churches.  Believe me, there are plenty of people in this world who are helping the poor and the underdog that aren't from the federal gov't.

 

Offline diamondgeezer

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These would be non-lethal weapons you're disputing the value of, yes?

Anyway, didn't we have the discussion in the space elevator thread? It all ground to a halt when you, Rictor, champion of the poor, were asked how much charity work you do, and whether you'd sell your car or computer to feed the starving masses...

 
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Mind, this thing might be non-lethal, but a bit of a power-up and it'll be pretty lethal.

OLD, BTW, read this in a pop science mag of more then 6 months ago.
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Offline Rictor

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I'll say now what I said then, that it is insane to compare me (or you) to the US (or pretty much any) government. Its a matter of resources, as in I have none. Its just like taxation, bigger taxation for bigger income. Compare the average Joe's income of, say, 20k (after expenses) per year, with the government's income of several hundred billion.

But this isn't about charity, I don't really see what it has to do with the issue. Its a simple matter spending money to harm people instead of using it to help people. In that context, its completely irrelevant if the weapon is lethal, non-lethal or fires french fries, money is being spent on it, money that is badly needed elsewhere.

Rampage, you say that charity is not the government's responsibility. Well, ignoring for a second the issue of foreign policiy and the economics behind it, lets just focus on the US population. If it is the government's job to protect its citizens from let say, invasion, why is it not also their responsibility to protect them from hunger and diesese? Tens, even hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent to protect the US from stuff like terrorism, which has killed a very low number of people, while thousands die from lack of health-care and other necessities. When you ignore all the "scary foreign boogeyman" appeal of terrorism, its actually very harmless, and yet for the money that is being invested into the military, every citizen could easily have universal healthcare.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Oooh.... last one would be dead useful for Dastardly and Muttley if it could be adapted for use on a dodgy looking biplane.

 

Offline diamondgeezer

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Rictor mate, kindly get off your soapbox marked 'moral highground' and go do some charity work before you start preaching. For starters, your computer would be worth several hundred pounds, money that could bring several people off the streets for some time or feed dozens of Sudaneese children. It owuldn't solve the world's problems, but it would make a signifigant improvement in several peoples' lives :nod:

 

Offline Zakalwe

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Come on, this isn't strictly military technology, it has plently of civilian uses in terms of policing. Also, i hardly would refer to them as the "greatest weapon technologies" if you want to post examples of that, try looking up articles on the billions that go into nuclear weapons research, instead of posting nonsense about non-lethal weapons which would benefit society.

 

Offline castor

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Anyway, if it lessens the need to use deadly force, I'm all into it.
When used with moderation, that is :D

 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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"Active Denial System"

Should come in very useful for government ministers.

 

Offline Lonestar

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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
These would be non-lethal weapons you're disputing the value of, yes?

Anyway, didn't we have the discussion in the space elevator thread? It all ground to a halt when you, Rictor, champion of the poor, were asked how much charity work you do, and whether you'd sell your car or computer to feed the starving masses...


So people, not governments, should feed the poor? Is this your solution to the problem, or merely a way to shove the argument in a new direction, a personal one.

I think if the government was willing to take its war budget and use it for starving people then i might be more inclined to sell my items to help out. However they dont care, and they should, so why should I?

the government taught me independence is life.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Lonestar


So people, not governments, should feed the poor? Is this your solution to the problem, or merely a way to shove the argument in a new direction, a personal one.

I think if the government was willing to take its war budget and use it for starving people then i might be more inclined to sell my items to help out. However they dont care, and they should, so why should I?

the government taught me independence is life.


I think the point is that it's hypocritical to berate a government for spending its money for non-charitable purposes when you're unwilling to make the same sacrifice.

 

Offline Rictor

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yes, but this is not asking them to spend any *more* money, its just asking them to spend it on different things. Its not like they can just hold on to the tax money, they have to spend it somehow, and all I'm saying (and Lonestar too by the looks of it) is that they are spending it in the wrong place.

besides, I already talked about resources above.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Rictor
yes, but this is not asking them to spend any *more* money, its just asking them to spend it on different things. Its not like they can just hold on to the tax money, they have to spend it somehow, and all I'm saying (and Lonestar too by the looks of it) is that they are spending it in the wrong place.

besides, I already talked about resources above.


Well, will you redirect money from, say, games shopping and donate it to charity instead?

 

Offline diamondgeezer

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Not at all, research in to non-lethal weapons is A1 SUPAR in these days of counter-terrorism malarky. Better hit with one of these things than a bullet, don't you think? I mean, look at the thread title and compare with the two quotes in the first post - these are non-lethal weapons which are purposefully being designed to incapacitate without harm...

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Not at all, research in to non-lethal weapons is A1 SUPAR in these days of counter-terrorism malarky. Better hit with one of these things than a bullet, don't you think? I mean, look at the thread title and compare with the two quotes in the first post - these are non-lethal weapons which are purposefully being designed to incapacitate without harm...


what they really want, is a super fast acting laxative gas........

 

Offline vyper

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Wanna bet the microwave one causes cancer in the long term?
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Offline diamondgeezer

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Meh, add it to the list under petrol fumes, power lines, mobile phones, microwave ovens, bracken, cigarettes and all the others

 

Offline Setekh

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Originally posted by aldo_14
what they really want, is a super fast acting laxative gas........


Dude. Ph33r if that stuff ever gets out... erk, I just got a really disturbing mental image. :ick:
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