[J3Vr6]

"The Democratic Party is trying to stop this commercial from being aired. I wonder why??  They must be scared that millions of Americans will see his true colors."  - My sister, who sent me the link.


http://www.swiftvets.com/


I'm not saying it's true or not.  Just thought it was interesting, and since I haven't posted in a while I figured a brutal debate was in order

Ok, discuss while I go pee.

[aldo_14]

I think it's unlikely to be - the nature of politics is that 2 extremes are present, and the honest truth is somewhere in the middle.

The other side of the coin is that Kerry turned anti-war after Vietnam, didn't he?  That's got to piss of a few vets.

So I'd take this with the same massive pinch of salt you would any other political commercial / statement.

[jdjtcagle]

Uhhhmmm... That really doesn't say much

1st:  Are they who they say they are? (still doesn't make a difference)

2nd:  What story did he lie about? I want to know

3rd:  Could be a general bashing or advertisement...

4rth:  He could of pissed off some Vets also, this really says nothing

I would like to find out where and what this is about, if it is true

[beatspete]

He had cool hair.

As far as his conduct goes - would you rather have Dubya on the battle field?

[Deepblue]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Uhhhmmm... That really doesn't say much

1st:  Are they who they say they are? (still doesn't make a difference)

2nd:  What story did he lie about? I want to know

3rd:  Could be a general bashing or advertisement...

4rth:  He could of pissed off some Vets also, this really says nothing

I would like to find out where and what this is about, if it is true

1. Yes.

2. He testified to the senate after he left the war that he and almost all US soldiers commited horrible attrocities. What the others are saying is that no, for the largest majority thats not true and John Kerry said this to save his own neck. He also recieved at least 2 of his purple hearts due to self-inflicted extremely minor wounds. In one case he recieved a purple heart after getting hit be a small piece of shrapnel that the doc took out with tweezers, that came from a mortar round that he launched at some rocks.

3. If you notice this group does not support W but it does not believe that John Kerry is fit to be President.

4. You think? He accused them all of doing horrible things.

BTW JK "band of brothers" did not include any one of the people that signed the letter saying that he is not fit to be president. In fact I believe that only 1/10 of the people serving on swift boats in his unit support him. (check me on this)

[Rictor]

1) Kerry recieved his three purple hearts for absolutely minor things. He never missed a day of duty because of his injuries, which shows how severe they were. His two other medals, the Bronze and Silver stars are also very dubious.

2)On two seperate occasions, he beached the Swift boat and exited, in direct contravention of every single rule in the book. This is forbidden because a beached swift-boat is effectively a sitting duck for RPGs and small-arms fire.

3) According to his own biographers, Kerry commited what amounts to war crimes. Sure, it was widespread among US troops in Vietnam, but he did on several occassions kill civilians who were clearly innocent and were not a threat. He was involved in what was perhaps the most brutal and heinous US initiative in Vietnam, the Phoenix Program.

here is an excellent (in my opinion) article regarding Kerry's vaunted Vietnam service.

http://www.counterpunch.com/cockburn07292004.html

[jdjtcagle]

So he's a dummy hero...

One of those people that kill innocent people in war time clearly out racism

[Rictor]

Mr.Skull and Bones has been grooming his political carrier since he was in college. He even confesed that that the war in Vietnam was an offensive war and that Vietnam could in no way pose a danger to America. And yet he fought in it, and fought quite savagely if the reports are correct. Even to his commanding officers back then, as I understand it, it was quite clear that whatever he did, he did so with the intent that it would further his political career somehow.

But wait, don't just listen to me. I've linked to an anti-Kerry article, and for a whole host of reasons, I'm pretty much anti-Kerry, but you should chec out the other side of that arguement, how he's a hero etc etc and judge for yourself. But keep in mind, and this goes for everybody, that according to Kerry's own officials, his goals are not very different than Bush's (namely, Empire), its just the implemenation that they disagree on. Like two princes fighting with each other for control of the kingdom. They will each try to rally the people to their side, but in the end, neither of them is interested in getting rid of the system that keeps them in power. Neither is interested in handing control to the people.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Deepblue
it does not believe that John Kerry is fit to be President

Considering the alternative.....

[Deepblue]

Thats what you think, but many other people think differently.

[Ford Prefect]

The Vietnam War was an atrocity. It wasn't the fault of the soldiers; they were forced into the situation, but nonetheless, they had to do horrible things.

Personally, I don't give a **** about anyone's military service. Maybe Kerry's record has become littered with rumors, but the fact is that it's no more questionable than those of many veterans; the only reason it's being called into question is because he's running for president. As for Bush, one of the few things I don't fault him for is that he avoided military service, because I know that I would do the same thing given the opportunity.

[jdjtcagle]

But yet the media pretends that the war shows American courage and victory to a cause that wasn't our problem in the first place and only strenghten the heart of the so called American spirit that will play on the radio for the next 50 years spreading a sense of nationality for all the wrong reasons.  Why must we act like we rule the world!?

[Black Wolf]

I'm John Kerry, yes I'm the real Kerry
All you other John Kerrys are just imitating
So won't the real John Kerry please stand up,
please stand up, please stand up?

First thing I thought of

[Mr. Vega]

Same thing I thought, reminded me of this.

[Rictor]

Ford: yes, but Kerry volunteered for the Army. Though I do agree with you that military service is nothing to be proud of. Its just means you killed some poor peasants in their own country, so that the US could establish its power.

jdjtcagle: simple, because America does rule the world

Its all part of the war mentality that plays such a large role in 1984, and I think it was described very well. Its part of the way in which the domestic population is controlled from acting in their own best inetrests.

er, that email I was supposed to send you is now on its way, most of it is in there.

[jdjtcagle]

Sweet!!!
I got it and I'll get to reading, thanks

[.::Tin Can::.]

You know what? John Kerry didnt even perform a full tour of duty in Vietnam! He was there for 3 months, and he comes back a war hero! What the hell? A full tour of duty is a whole year. He didnt even finish half of one. This commercial goes to show what other people saw, which I would believe more since Kerry has limited credability. Please, 3 purple hearts in 3 months? Thats outrageous. Not even a full tour of duty.

[Rictor]

Well, the official exlpaination is that after you get 3 purple hearts you can apply to go back home, which he did, and ended up working for some general in an office somewhere.

...but thats only if you believe the 3 purple hearts are legit, which clearly...

[Rictor]

hey, it just occured to me, John Forbes Kerry is JFK...

[Bobboau]

dun dun dun!

now you know the horrable truth, the clone armey will be after you, run. RUN!