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wow that is amazing, hope you dont get in trouble.
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Technically they can pursue my ass even if i make the dropship from scratch. Hell I can get penalized right now for having Paramount's Trek ships here.

All these lawyers following copyright laws to the letter just to feel big, but how probable is it that they try to nail me for this? Its not like I'm SELLING the bloody thing. Some of the Trek ships I converted were directly off of Bridge Commander. I hope this fear of prosecution is extremely over estimated.

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shouldn't the front pods be open aswell ?



Excellent, but looks odd with only the rear pods deployed. Anyone remember the ship's mane BTW ?
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NOT to nitpickm, but its bay should be wide enough to carry a fully loaded APC?

   I don't remember if they were stapped into the APC already in transit or if they were in the dropship racks for the decent??

   Anyone remember or has teh movie to check?
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The APC came out through the back, there was a ramp that lowered to let the APC out. So it had to be stored inside the ship´s hangar, in it´s belly.
Seems the movie modelers forgot about that... The APC is too big to fit the dropship. The image where you see the APC coming down the ramp showed only the back of the dropship, but scaled up by 100%.Or the APC was scaled down, wich ever.
If anyone remembers, in the movie you could even see the pilots in the cockpit, wich means the ship was small, the size of a small Lear jet.
I guess the movie producers thought the dropship was too kool to change just to fit the APC, so they kept it and fixed the APC-moving-down-the-ramp scene to look as if it had came out of a dropship. Typical movie fairytale...
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
The APC came out through the back, there was a ramp that lowered to let the APC out. So it had to be stored inside the ship´s hangar, in it´s belly.
Seems the movie modelers forgot about that... The APC is too big to fit the dropship. The image where you see the APC coming down the ramp showed only the back of the dropship, but scaled up by 100%.Or the APC was scaled down, wich ever.
If anyone remembers, in the movie you could even see the pilots in the cockpit, wich means the ship was small, the size of a small Lear jet.
I guess the movie producers thought the dropship was too kool to change just to fit the APC, so they kept it and fixed the APC-moving-down-the-ramp scene to look as if it had came out of a dropship. Typical movie fairytale...
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What the hell are you on about? That thing is HUGE.



Sure you can see the pilot but she's pretty small in the window of that cockpit.


Plenty of space for an APC. And they go in at the front of the ship not the rear so they can come out shooting :D

And you can only see the pilot well in closeups.



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Omniscaper, are you planing on releasing that or anything?
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Kara, do you remember the shot inside the APC? The APC model is smaller than the inside. The dropship cannot possibly have space for an APC, and then have living quarters as the one you see where Ripley  leaves the terraforming station with the child, with the queen or her ass. There were rooms, a kitchen, a dinning room, and who knows what else. If you look at the height of the dropship, add the height of the APC, you have no room left for living quarters. And the APC coming out shot, did you get it?

Let´s examine those screens you posted. See the "01" in shot 2? Its the size of the pilot´s head. Now look at shot 4. If you picture the rest of a man´s body along with that "01", you see a human body is as tall as the ship.
Remember the inside of the APC? It´s huge. There are things in shelfs that fall in the head of the lieutenent. The inside APC is about 2.5 meters high. Now try and place that on the ship, and then add space for a human to stand up, on the upper level. It can´t be done!!! The model scales are wrong.
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christ pal, that argument is so full of holes a bloody Boeing would slip through
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Kara, do you remember the shot inside the APC? The APC model is smaller than the inside.


Okay. Even if you are correct about everything that follows your original statement is wrong. The decrepancy is not between the size of the APC model and the dropship model. The two are in perfect proportion to each other. The discrepancy you're now claiming actually nothing to do with the dropship at all. It's a discrepancy between the inside and the outside of the APC.

 As the shots I took earlier show the APC fits inside the dropship quite easily.

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The dropship cannot possibly have space for an APC, and then have living quarters as the one you see where Ripley  leaves the terraforming station with the child, with the queen or her ass. There were rooms, a kitchen, a dinning room, and who knows what else. If you look at the height of the dropship, add the height of the APC, you have no room left for living quarters. And the APC coming out shot, did you get it?


What hell movie did you see? I saw no living quarters or dinning room on the Dropship or the APC. On the Suloco yes but nothing on the Dropship apart from a big crash couch for Hicks and a big empty space where an APC could go.

I haven't got the faintest clue what you're on about.

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Let´s examine those screens you posted. See the "01" in shot 2? Its the size of the pilot´s head. Now look at shot 4. If you picture the rest of a man´s body along with that "01", you see a human body is as tall as the ship.


Nonsense. Look at Spunkmeyer in that shot. He's standing up. That proves that the cockpit alone is big enough to contain a human being (He's crouching down slightly but that could be cause he's in the upper seat).

If that's what your basing your whole arguement on then that's where your logical flaw came from.

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You're going to have to cause I've seen nothing in your arguement to support your theory in the slightest.
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C´mmon, you don´t remember in Aliens 2, when RIPLEY whent back to get the child, and she brought Hicks wounded back to the dropship? She placed him in a bed, in the sickbay. Then she loaded up on weapons and ammo, and went for the girl. There was a round table, where they sit and eat. There´s the room with the guns.  This all takes place on the upper level of the dropship. The lower level packs the APC, on a ramp that lowers with 4 hidraulic jacks. But the APC is stored inside during the flight. Now, the APC is over 2 meters high,plus the wheel´s height right? Add the upper level, another 2 meters, at least, right? That´s at least 4 meters. Add the floors, about 10 inches thick, each. Wich means more 30 inches to add to the 4 meters we had. This adds to +5 meters, at least, from top to bottom, right? Now look at the cockpit, where we see the co-pilot and pilot. The cockpit takes about 2/3 of the ships hull height, and is supposed to be located on the upper level. Now you tell me, where in hell do you fit a 2,5 meters high APC, and plus all the engines and machinery?

I don´t know. Maybe my english isn´t good enough to explain this right. Maybe i should just write in my native tongue and have you look the translation in Babelfish... But i do know how to measure things. And i do have a sense of scale.
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Dropship doesn't have living quarters or a sick bay. You see a stretcher for Hicks and a Gun Rack but nowt else. You don't see Hicks in sickbay. You see him shoot up (Morphine, I imagine) but that's not in a sick bay.

No reason for a Dropship to have living quarters anyway. It's basically a futuristic take on a Huey or Chinnock (helicopters)
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And these arguments... I will have to watch the movie again for myself... (someday) :P

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...play AVP2...when you see a landed dropship, walk up the ramp, to the front is a hatch to the cockpit, to the rear OMG! there's ANOTHER DOOR!

...and I have Aliens...'scuse me for a minute while I re-watch that part of the movie...

 
Just watched it, the 'Table' swamp thing is talking about is a little ledge, located near the front of the ship, looks like a small armoury on a military dropship, also, you get to see how big the cavity is in the dropship...

...watching it again...it's about 3 and a half metres clearance on the inside...and about as long if not a bit longer than the APC...and if you look, the APC isn't that big...maybe...10 metres in length...and the Dropship has to be about 40 metres long...maybe a little big longer...

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Swamp thing...there is NO UPPER DECK ON THE DROPSHIP. The place where Ripley was loading up with the pulse rifle and flamethrower was in the cavity where the APC goes...there just WASN'T an APC there cause it wasn't needed.

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You're vastly overestimating the length of the APC I think; it should be no more than maybe 6 meters long, 3 wide, and 2 high.  A nine-foot-wide vehicle doesn't seem to fit in my mind's eye, but the Aliens APC is fairly large and squat.  Anyway, I'd say that, at most, the dropship is something like 20 meters long.  The tail may extend a little out past that but I doubt it.  Think of it sitting on a football field; there's no way that it would take up close to half of it (as 40m would)
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Just watched the Special Edition again. There definately isn't an upper deck. Ripley talks to Hicks and Bishop and then walks straight down the ramp.
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...play AVP2...when you see a landed dropship, walk up the ramp, to the front is a hatch to the cockpit, to the rear OMG! there's ANOTHER DOOR!
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But when the game and the movie show exactly the same thing....
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