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Tories = British Slang for Conservatives, where in power for a long time, sold off most of our public interests and generally screwed up the economy for personal gain.

Labour = their alleged 'opposing' party, supposedly to represent the Unions and the 'Working classes' though the two pretty much share the same policies. Currently in power wi th Tony Blair at their head :)


That's cause old labour died a death with John Smith and a closet Tory was foolishly elected head of the party.

I knew Tony Blair wasn't really labour from the second he appeared on my radar but the fact that he was considering privatising air traffic control is what proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Rictor's first statement in this thread is 100% pure unrefined bull****
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note to ace: i wouldn't open up with guns _first_ (though if the opposition fired on me they would rue the day)
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I'm pretty sure that at least in Africa, the Christian right has had a big hand in discouraging, or even preventing, the use of birth control, which is vital in combating the disastrous spread of disease on that continent.
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GAH! I need to get off this ****ing planet.........who wants to help me build an Orion?
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GAH! I need to get off this ****ing planet.........who wants to help me build an Orion?


Can't, being a christian, I must stay to bring upon the end of days :p j/k

But, I do have a point...

This is supposed to happened, religions are supposed to fight, terrorism is supposed to be, everything that has happened brings us one step closer to the fate that has been prophecised...

Don't judge me though, I don't and never want to encourage the things that are going on, I love humanity...  I'm just saying that IMO this is the way it's happening and always has. NEVER has the bible been wrong, over 1000 prophecies have been right on even till this day....
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Look at it this way.

If we don't have free will, whatever you do doesn't matter anyway.

But if we do have free will and you don't make the effort to better mankind, believeing that some book is going to predict our future, you're basically standing idly by (or actively helping) as humanity goes down ths ****ter. Essentially, you have nothing to lose.

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Well, we do have free will...  
But that doesn't mean it's going to change what's going to happen, because as you see around you people are making irrational choices left and right and you cannot kill them or tell them other wise....
All we right know are doing is griping about a bunch a trash laying around are streets, but not enough people are there to pick it up, do you get where I'm going?

You probably don't I suck at explaining things
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In a literal sense, I believe in free will because I don't believe in fate, and certainly not in a higher power. However, I wonder about how much we can actually change simply because of what's hardwired into our instincts.
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You MEAN...  GENETIC ENGINERING!?!? :shaking:
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I don't believe that a book as such can tell us the future, but, even I'm capable of a pretty good guess at what will happen if mankind doesn't change. I suppose if I had to word it in such a way as to be understandable 2000-4000 years ago, I too would use chariots of flame, and pillars of smoke etc, it captures the imagination somewhat ;)

I don't think the Bible was saying that the 'End of Days' will come, only that if it did come, that's what it would be like, humanity hasn't changed that much in 4000 years to be honest, at least not from the skin inwards.

My own personal opinion is that if the end of Days is soon, then we, and we alone, Godless and Demonless, have bought it upon ourselves. If we convince ourselves that we are part of some 'Prime Destiny' then we create a self-fulfilling prophecy of Death for those who choose it and those who do not. I for one, would not choose to be any part of pathetic bickering over creatures we created in our arrogance so we could forgive ourselves for our ignorance.

Not attacking anyone, just my own view on the matter ;)
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I know exactly what you mean, even though the bible predictions have been correct, that doesn't mean that there is a God.  Your exactly right in every parts of your post (simply viewing it from you eyes...) But, then again there is no way to prove there is or isn't :)
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My outlook is significantly more cheery, I must say ;) ;)

Look, if we made it this far, then we're not about to blow it now. I believe that public consciousness is a major part of humanity's survival, and it has never been as "good" as it is now. People, even ordinary, normal people, have common sense, compared to which all of humanity's greatest philosophers pale in comparison. As I mentioned, some of our brightest minds have been predicting doom for year now, and yet the radical and positive movement which they prescribed as the only way to avoid catastrophe has not happened. No one flipped a switch and all of a sudden humanity did an about face. No, the reason we have endured, and will endure is, in my humble opinion, common sense and a self-preservation instinct.

Orwell predicted that World War 2 would end either in faschism or totalitarianism if non-faschist Europe (France, Britain etc) and the US did not whole-heartedly embrace social democracy, and yet neither happened. The West came out of the war more liberal-minded than ever, most major colonies declared independence shortly after and even in the USSR, the hot-bed of totalitarianism, Big Brother was not able to hold on to power indefinitely.

If we leave the governance of the world to nothing more than common sense, which appears to be increasingly and irreversibly the case, we'll be just fine.

 

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My outlook is significantly more cheery, I must say ;) ;)

Look, if we made it this far, then we're not about to blow it now. I believe that public consciousness is a major part of humanity's survival, and it has never been as "good" as it is now. People, even ordinary, normal people, have common sense, compared to which all of humanity's greatest philosophers pale in comparison. As I mentioned, some of our brightest minds have been predicting doom for year now, and yet the radical and positive movement which they prescribed as the only way to avoid catastrophe has not happened. No one flipped a switch and all of a sudden humanity did an about face. No, the reason we have endured, and will endure is, in my humble opinion, common sense and a self-preservation instinct.
 


Have you met my generation? :p

Well, over here, I'm exposed to so much... :blah:
Might be because were still young, but....
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nothing wrong with genetic engineering
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You got to do what you got to do... I guess...
If there is a God he will stop it so.... :)
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well if there was a god he would have stopped cloning

PS: i didn't read the post you were getting hyper about genetic engineering in reation to
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animals? yeah right...

Uhmm... that post was just a joke... it wasn't serious
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i reiterate - there is nothing wrong with genetic engineering

if you think there is then you cannot eat anything we farm - animal, vegitable or fruit since they've _all_ been genetically engineered

via selective breeding and sometimes with direct manipulation of modern technology
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DUH!!!

I know all of this, I was just joking it wasn't serious
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