[Kamikaze]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/06/ams_goes_windows_for_warships/

Was posted by aldo here a while ago.

[Bobboau]

ok, lets look at the situation and why Iran can't be alowed to get nukes. simply becase they can't get nukes, if they try and no one else stops them Israel will bomb them, when that happens Iran and probly two or three (at least) other Arabic nations will bomb them back and they'll probly bomb us in Iraq while they're at it, and even if they don't we can see were this will lead.

Iran being alowed to get nukes == world war three, in the literal traditional sence. now this could in the end fix a lot of problems, but I'd rather do things a diferent way.

[Kosh]

Actually, all they need are 3 or 4 short range nuclear missiles and they could wipe out half the US military in one strike.

[Zarax]

[OT]Governments (and big companies) have access and can modify MS sources... [/OT]
Iran has not yet been invaded by US troops, so you can stay assured that there is no real danger...
Otherwise their oil wells would already have been under some US company exploitation...
On the other side, given what US military declares they are pretty much short handed now, as they already have two major regional crisis (afghanistan and iraq) and in theory might have only enough resources to face humanitarian stuff and not military one...
Then, if you look a bit further and US would be able to call in UN forces in both sides then it's Iran in bad straits... Just look at their borders and where the majority of US troops is...
With an hostile army on both sides i wouldn't feel easy at all...

[Bobboau]

the stratigic situation does not look good for them, but we can't actualy do anything ourselves due to our gorius leaders ****ing justification for the last war.

[Zarax]

Bobbau, stay assured that in case of real need USAF will dispatch a few B1 or B2 and end the problem the israely way...

[Bobboau]

generaly we don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks, but honestly, we've streched things about as far as we can push them, I don't think we'd be able to do anyhting unless we get the UN or at least NATO _asking_ us to help, we can't bring up the subject, becase it's exactly the argument we used for Iraq, and that sort of crashed on us.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by ngtm1r
Actually, they do know what they're doing. Or at least the Navy does. I know people who work on their off-the-shelf upgrade plans.

Ah, I didn't say the engineers didn't know what they're doing, I said the decision makers.  i.e. the old bloke spending 8 hours a day kipping in his office, being defrosted to rubber stamp stuff & collect a fat dividend in the next board meeting.

[magatsu1]

Originally posted by Bobboau
generaly we don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks, but honestly, we've streched things about as far as we can push them, I don't think we'd be able to do anyhting unless we get the UN or at least NATO _asking_ us to help, we can't bring up the subject, becase it's exactly the argument we used for Iraq, and that sort of crashed on us.

I think the UN is still peeved at GWB calling them "at risk of becoming irrelevent"

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by magatsu1


I think the UN is still peeved at GWB calling them "at risk of becoming irrelevent"

Until they get their **** togerther and start standing up to the US (in particular, given recent history), the UN will be increasingly irrelevant.

[ffRule]

this isnt "just another country" getting nukes.. this isnt a very friendly country.. and allot of terrorist groups come from Iran or are supported by them, they have allot of leaders with to say the least fanatical opinions.. and again this rolles back into the whole "islam" thing.

i think they shouldnt get nukes, regardless of who they are though.

[aldo_14]

"the whole 'islam' thing"?

[01010]

All Islam is evil, did you not know that?

[Zarax]

And ignorance is the worst sin...

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by ffRule
this isnt "just another country" getting nukes.. this isnt a very friendly country.. and allot of terrorist groups come from Iran or are supported by them, they have allot of leaders with to say the least fanatical opinions.. and again this rolles back into the whole "islam" thing.

i think they shouldnt get nukes, regardless of who they are though.

bah.. your ignorance is great.

you should read world history, particularly about areas of the planet where islam is the primary religon, i think, given your above statement, that you'll be shocked..

[offtopic-rant]
that said..
a terrorist, is a terrorist, no matter the religion, or their beliefs, the fact that this particular breed of terrorists are using their religion to "justify" their actions, and to gather the fervor of others, and people who are really just "sheep" and not thinking for themselves.
now, put all this religion crap aside for a moment, and think about this one.. these terrorists, are human, just like the other 6 billion or so that exist on this great big clod of dirt we call 'earth' they are no more capable of good or evil than you or i..
all the most powerful tyrants on earth are human.
all the most gifted and generous people on earth are human also.

just bear in mind that we're all fleshy little meatsacks, and religion is just a faith in a particular diety(s) be it any.. and also, (this is my own belief) i believe in a higher power, (god, or whatever) but not in the churches run by the people, 'cause people are fallible, i'm not perfect, i know that much.. just that i have no faith in people.. anywho, i've said my peace, now, i hope i didn't piss anybody off with my words here, if so, PM me
[/offtopic-rant]

alright, back on topic, well yeah, another cold war.. so what?.. they're gonna be shaking nuclear-armed fists at each other just like the US and the Soviets did way back when.. hopefully the UN will grow some spine and nip this nuclear proliferation in the bud before  it all gets outta hand.

or until the US develops something that makes nukes horribly, horribly obsolete

[01010]

I'm just wondering what it takes for news of my nuclear arsenal to get out, I've been pimping it for months. Damn Jewish media.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by 01010
I'm just wondering what it takes for news of my nuclear arsenal to get out, I've been pimping it for months. Damn Jewish media.

You should be so lucky.

I nuked Milton Keynes last week, and no-one even noticed.  In fact, I got an award for "services to civic rejuvenation".

[Gank]

Originally posted by Zarax
Bobbau, stay assured that in case of real need USAF will dispatch a few B1 or B2 and end the problem the israely way...

hehe, afraid Iran has the US by the balls on this one, it has over 100,000 US troops next door to it up to their necks in ****, Us farts at them and there'll be a revolutionary guard and Hiz'bollah backed uprising in the south that'll make Tet look like the fourth of July. Couple that with the fact that around a quarter of the US's daily oil supply passes through the persian gulf, in naval terms a duckpond, within range of Iranian Silkworm, Exocet and Moskit missiles. I believe the JFK is also in the gulf at the minute, Iran reportedly has 8 sunburns, if I was on that ship I'd be praying like **** Dubya keeps it in his pants this time.

[vyper]

MOABs are a tastey alternative to those high fat Nukes. They aren't as filling, but they can get the job done with no fallout.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Gank


hehe, afraid Iran has the US by the balls on this one, it has over 100,000 US troops next door to it up to their necks in ****, Us farts at them and there'll be a revolutionary guard and Hiz'bollah backed uprising in the south that'll make Tet look like the fourth of July. Couple that with the fact that around a quarter of the US's daily oil supply passes through the persian gulf, in naval terms a duckpond, within range of Iranian Silkworm, Exocet and Moskit missiles. I believe the JFK is also in the gulf at the minute, Iran reportedly has 8 sunburns, if I was on that ship I'd be praying like **** Dubya keeps it in his pants this time.

Could be covert options, of course.  A nice 'accident' with plausible deniability is always the best option.

The thing that scares me, is that US presidents are restricted to 2 terms.  If Bush is re-elected, then he doesn't really have much (politically) to lose.