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Offline magatsu1

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we're all gonna die

and with the Israeli Air Force buying a load of US Bunker Buster Bombs....
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Offline Galemp

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Mr Aghazadeh said his country is willing to take measures to increase confidence in Iran and will continue to co-operate with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

At the weekend, the IAEA passed a resolution urging Iran to suspend uranium enrichment and grant access to IAEA inspectors.


:wtf: Don't those two statements seem at odds?
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Offline Rictor

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oh ffs guys, 7 countries already have the bomb, several of them at least as conftrontational as Iran (namely India, Pakistan and Israel). The world is not going to suddenly explode if the mullahs get their hands on it. Besides, who are we to decide who can and can't posses nukes.

Though the possibility of Israel striking Iran before they can get their nuke program operational is very real and very scary. The **** would hit the fan in a big way if that happened. The recent sale of nuclear (I believe they're nuclear, right?) bunker busters isn't really putting my mind at ease.

 

Offline magatsu1

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I think they're like SABOTs, in that they have a quasi nuclear content but aren't nukes as such.
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More nukes != good

Regardless of who has them

 

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Our nuclear subs, and new warships are switching from good, reliable Unix control to...

wait for it...  


Windows 2000!!!


I feel so much safer now....
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You think they actually run on important stuff on a commercial OS? Are you crazy? Uh-uh. They have their own internal operating system that is fundmentally incompatible with others.
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Haha, you wish. Politicians control the military, don't forget that. ;)
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Offline ionia23

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Color me retarded.  What potential value would becoming a nuclear power, however small, be to Iran?  Does anyone actually think they'd use them?

and against whom?  They've been relatively quiet since the end of the Iran-Iraq war...
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Israel did a similar attack agains Iraq back in the day.  I could see it happen again...I'm sure it would work and set Iran back quite a bit if they did.  So I guess in my mind, I have no question that they could do it.   The question on how things should go down there is entirely different one too...

Should Iran have nukes?  No...should Canada have nukes (I don't think we have en), nope...should the USA or Russia or anyone really have a whole whack of them...no not really either.  I can see the need for them for entirely different purposes.  If we need to blast an asteroid then I'm all for them building a nuke and expending as many as necessary on the asteroid.  Against people, no.  Its a genie that should never be opened...its too indiscriminate.

But realism sets in.  Nobody is going to lay their weapons down.  On the other hand, nobody else really needs to have them.  Pakistan and India balance each other out with their nuke capabilities as did the USSR and the USA back during the Cold War.  What does Iran have to balance out by...thats my question.
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Offline Gank

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Israel. Iran hates Israel, Israel hates Iran. One has nukes, one wants nukes. Basic arms race stuff.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by ngtm1r
You think they actually run on important stuff on a commercial OS? Are you crazy? Uh-uh. They have their own internal operating system that is fundmentally incompatible with others.


You think the people that approve these 'purchases' have a ****ing clue what they're doing?  

They just pick the one with the free junket to Hawaii.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Actually, they do know what they're doing. Or at least the Navy does. I know people who work on their off-the-shelf upgrade plans.
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Offline Flipside

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It's not an upgraded OS. It isn't streamlined either, it is Windows 2000 Server software, running through a high-speed Fire-wire Network. Yes, things like 'Media Player' have been removed, but that's just to stop Radar ops watching Pron or kazaa'd movies when they should be scanning for exocets ;)

But the kernel is still a run of the mill Windows 2000 Service pack 3 :(

 

Offline Unknown Target

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Ok, think of it this way:

Who's Israel gonna use a nuke on?

The Middle East.

Who's Iran gonna use it on?

Worst case: The Western European countries (I don't think they have the range to attack the US).

What happens if they do that?

KABLAM! Three nukes to their one, and then the entire military might of the world's only superpower right on them.
Come on, what could they do to the US or anyone else?


And while Windows 2k3 is unstable when compared to Linux, or Unix, you still have a lot of reliabilty when compared to, say, Windows XP or 98. After all, the 2000 series is designed for stability. They get unstable when people put lots of crap on them, and I doubt that would really happen on a Navy boat.

 

Offline Flipside

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You know, they may be telling the truth and just be doing it for power requirements, after all, anyone who knows which way the wind is blowing knows that oil is a pretty unstable thing to be relying on right now ;)

 
A nuclear war is impossible. No one can win. They call it M.A.D (Mutual Assured Destruction).

Fitting? Yes it is.

Example:

Side A fires nukes at side B

Side B has no choice but to fire nukes at side A

Both sides die. Game over.

 

Offline Rictor

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Guys guys, don't get so worried. Nations who seek nukes do so, and have done so since the 50s, as a detterent. No nuclear power has ever been invaded, guess why? If Iran wants nukes, or North Korea or whoever (talking only about nations here, run by sane men, and yes, that does include both Iran and NK) thats probably to stop Someone (India, Israel, the US, Japan, Russia, take your pick) from invading them.

Do I support nuclear proliferation? Of course not. Give me power, and I would destroy all nukes on Earth. But things aren't going to suddenly change if tommorow I wake up and there are 30,271 nukes on Earth instead of 30,270 that there was yesterday.

What I'm really worried about is what will happen if a country is attacked, and a powerful country at that, in order to prevent it from getting nukes. What, you think Iran will just sit there and take it?

Iraq is just a little ways away, Israel is within striking distance, Syria probably wouldn't mind hopping in if something started going down, the whole Afghanistan/North Pakistan thing is kind of shifty and the second anyone looks at Israel sideways, you can count on Uncle Sam joining the fray...so, not good.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Originally posted by Flipside
It's not an upgraded OS. It isn't streamlined either, it is Windows 2000 Server software, running through a high-speed Fire-wire Network. Yes, things like 'Media Player' have been removed, but that's just to stop Radar ops watching Pron or kazaa'd movies when they should be scanning for exocets ;)

But the kernel is still a run of the mill Windows 2000 Service pack 3 :(


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