[Corsair]

Just watched all 90 minutes of it... good lord that was glorious. Bush looked like a freakin' monkey next to Kerry.

[jdjtcagle]

It was horrible...
Bush is going to get relected and we are going to pay for it

[Night Hammer]

Well Kerry sure can contradict himself, very good at that, oh and a champ at alienating people in the armed forces and avoiding the question


P.S. Rudy Giuliani for President:yes:

[Corsair]

Mmmm... Bush is going to be reelected. I never said he wasn't. But it was still a glorious victory for the Kerry campaign.

Hillary's gonna tear the Republicans to shreds in 2008.

[an0n]

Haha. Yeah, right.

[Blitzerland]

Never say never. Kerrey could win. He debated very well, in my opinion.

[Rictor]

It was a glorious, spectacular victory for [insert name of favoured candidate], over his bumbling, idiotic opponent. Who we really need though, is [insert name of candidate hopefull for next election], he/she is going to clean house!

its not like the debates matter. Its kind of hard to debate when you agree with your opponent. The sound of one hand clapping if you will.

[Rictor]

Who are we kidding? America pretends that Thursday's official Presidential foreign policy debate is the apex of US democracy in action (more like democracy inaction). Few expect to gather new information from the scripted theatrics. No real alternative will be offered to counter the Bush agenda. God forbid. Kerry will simply scoff at Bush,s mismanaging of the war in Iraq, and Dubya will respond by pointing out Kerry's flip-flopping of the issue. Show over.

Not mine BTW. But tell me, please tell me thats not what happened? Was there meaninful debate? Did we find out anything new? Were serious questions raised? Was anything but the most conventional, rigid, standard thinking applied by either of the candidates?

[Bobboau]

can I start chanting for McCain yet?
I'm realy quite tempted to write him in this year.

[Omniscaper]

Kerry did better than I expected (composure-wise). I think that alone made him win this debate. Bush gotta work on that impatience/annoyance look.  He made more break sliences than my cell phone! All in all, both parties danced around important questions and gave generalized promises that seem DUMBED down a bit. I don't think either has a clue on how to handle the Iraqi insurgancy. Either way this war will continue, and if not, many lives will continue to be still be lost.

After all that Iraq dancing. I'm surprised they didn't trip up on the North Korean nuclear issue.

Best attacks:

Bush: Unlike my opponent, I will not make decisions based on European popularity or pressure, but on whats best for this nation.

Kerri: Attacking Iraq in response to 9/11 is like attacking Mexico after Pearl Harbor.

My 2 cents, in reguards to international relations I grudgingly give the ball to Kerry. Its the domestic issues that get me to sway a particular direction all the way.

If Kerry wants my vote, he better make a better distinction between his mentality on international situations and domestic ones. I don't want a president that will "flip flop" a domestic issue under slightiest sign of opposition.

Bush, he gotta come up with a better way to handle international issues without come across as an arragant cowboy. Perhaps some lessons on tact and better diplomacy.

[Rictor]

Look, the system is broken. Voting for the least-broken cog is not going to achieve anything. Bush and Kerry are both the products of a system that is more or less incapble of producing anything other than Bushes and Kerrys.

...ok, I'll shut my pie hole now..

[Omniscaper]

Nice, Rictor. I think its time to swallow them RED pills.

[Night Hammer]

by Rictor
the system is broken.

I really fail to see how you can rant and rave and complain about how the system doesnt work when you dont even live here and dont really feel too many effects from it. Shouldnt you be worrying about Quebec or somthing?

[Rictor]

Ahem. I'm a citizen of the world, first and foremost. And what goes on the the world matters to me. Sure, I live in Canada, which means I won't feel the impact to any great degree (and that too is argueable). But what if I lived in Latin America or Eastern Europe or the Middle East? Should everyone else be ingored, simply because they are not within your immediate line of sight?

You and I both know that decsions made in Washington have a profound effect on most of the rest of the world. So yes, non-American are entitled to speak their mind, cause they're sure as hell going to have to live with the consequences of decidions they have no control over.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Rictor
Look, the system is broken. Voting for the least-broken cog is not going to achieve anything. Bush and Kerry are both the products of a system that is more or less incapble of producing anything other than Bushes and Kerrys.

...ok, I'll shut my pie hole now..

Agreed. This is why I am not registered to vote and have no intention of voting.

[Night Hammer]

Yes, but you dont live there. You live in Canada. If Styxx(S. America) or Sandwich(Middle East) or C914(Eastern Europe) start complaining about U.S. foreign policy Ill listen and take it as a person who lives in it and is affected first hand. You, in Canada, are not under any scrutiny for WMD's, are not goin to suffer from the war on terror. For christ sake youre from a country pretty much known for being nice(stereotype oh well) and an ally of the U.S. Im sorry it just gets old listening to your constant left-wing rants.

and just so you know, my older brother is in Bagdad with the army, my father just recently returned from Saudi Arabia with the Air Force. So im sorry to say I think I know what it feels like to be affected by this....

[Drew]

Originally posted by Rictor
Ahem. I'm a citizen of the world, first and foremost.  

The World. One of the most disfunctional things ever created. And your a citizen of it. When God is dead, and aliens come to visit us, than you can be citizen of the World.  The World. Hah.

[Singh]

Well, I'm a foreigner in the east and the American Foreign Policy still looks just as sucky (if not more) from here.

(yes, Singapore is affected directly because we would rely on the US for support in case any of our neighbours attacks us)

[Night Hammer]

Ok well I would rather listen to you complain than good ol Rictor

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Kosh




Agreed. This is why I am not registered to vote and have no intention of voting.

Vote fot your third party of choice, that seems reasonable:

NightHammer: hey, its a political thread after all. If you'de like to refute what I'm saying you're welcome to it, if not...I dunno, offer a counterpoint or something.

And as I already told you, I care about what happens to Canadians as much as I care about what happens to Sri Lankans or Chileans or whatever. What you're saying is that no one should speak out against anything unless it affects them personally, thats absurd. Should no one do anything about crime, or rape, or poverty, or murder, unless they themselves are a victim?

I would also think that the fact that you have family in Iraq would actually make you oppose the war, no? I mean, I wouldn't want my brother to die in vain for someone else's gain.

Answer me this, especially since you have a personal stake in it:
Do you honestly believe that Iraq posed a threat to the US?

edit: if you want a reason why I care, and the above is not comprehensible to you, then family in Serbia is it.