[AlphaOne]

F**k who loged on from this computer?Sorry about that. I dident noticed that someone was loged on from this computer the previous post was actualy mine.
Old vs New
I saw somewhere in this forum a coment of someone that said that most of the old ships that were still present in the FS2 campaign were obselite but that is not the case.
If I remember corectly it was an orion that held the whole GTVA at bay . I remember something in the debriefing of one mison that the same NTF destroyer managed to take out several GTVA capships old and new....so my opinion is to respect what once was the greatest(Orion) and admire what now is (Hecate). A wise comander never looks at what the enemy poseses and loughs because once to often in the FS2 campaign we have found ourselfs facing ships that were considered to be obselite but still managed to inflict heavy damage. So to conclude I would like a general opinion on the old ships vs. the new ships.

P.S. Whats with that Man in the MIG?

[NGTM-1R]

Lemme find the whole story for "Man in the MiG"...

Or not...well, that sucks. The Hard Light Array seems to have ceased functioning correctly. I can't get at anything in the gallery.

[Kosh]

Let's go through strengths and weaknesses of the Orion and the Hecate.


Hecate:
Strengths: Good anti-fighter/bomber coverage, large hangar bay

Weaknesses: Only one big anti-capital ship turret. If a Hecate gets flanked by anything larger than a cruiser (not counting the Lilith) it is in big trouble.

Orion:
Strengths: Good anti-capital ship firepower, large hangar bay

Weaknesses: Terrible anti-fighter/bomber coverage.

Their weaknesses seem to be totally opposite of each other.

[MatthewPapa]

I always prefer the orion since either of them have a major problem defending against enemy fighters/bombers anyway. Their armnament is just spectacular for destroying those pesky shivan cruisers and corvettes.

[Hippo]

Wtf? Why are there identical threads?

[StratComm]

Someone decided that they needed to start a thread they had already started with a different username.  Then someone else posted the exact same reply in both.  But the most bizarre part is that there was apparently somehow a mislogin in the first place.

[Hippo]

The mislogin part is what has me lost...

[Lightspeed]

... when you split up your post between the two topics.

[Liberator]

:lmfao:

[Cabbie]

so um, can some nice mod/admin person merge the two topics and lets get back on track and discuss?

[Sandwich]

Now imagine how confusing that would be.

[AlphaOne]

Well I think that if you have to go gainst a destroyer or two the best option would be an Orion(caounting on the fact that the orion has some 3 or 4 wing of interceptors protecting it against enemy fighters and bombers. But if you have to go gainst lets say one enemy destroyer and say one or two criusers or corvetes (shivan ones) or even  terran I would prefer the Hecate because it has good antifighter protection so that its own fighters and bommbers could concentrate on taking out enemy cap ships.
I believe that a super destroyer would be a fusion of the Orion and the Hecate.
It would result a ship that has decent AAF protection and veri good anti capship weponry.

P.S. The latest MIG the MIG29 M is a superb aircraft capable of incredible maneuverability (it does not have stealth but on the other hand not many aircraft have this capabilaty). Even the old Mig29 is a excelent fighter.

[Setekh]

The Array seems to be functioning at the moment.

The story my render is based on is referring to MiG-21 Fishbeds, which wouldn't be described as superb aircraft in comparison with a lot of other stuff that's out there. One of the points of the story was that this exceptional fighter pilot was defeated due to the fact that he was flying outdated hardware.

[Flaser]

Originally posted by AlphaOne
Well I think that if you have to go gainst a destroyer or two the best option would be an Orion(caounting on the fact that the orion has some 3 or 4 wing of interceptors protecting it against enemy fighters and bombers. But if you have to go gainst lets say one enemy destroyer and say one or two criusers or corvetes (shivan ones) or even  terran I would prefer the Hecate because it has good antifighter protection so that its own fighters and bommbers could concentrate on taking out enemy cap ships.
I believe that a super destroyer would be a fusion of the Orion and the Hecate.
It would result a ship that has decent AAF protection and veri good anti capship weponry.

P.S. The latest MIG the MIG29 M is a superb aircraft capable of incredible maneuverability (it does not have stealth but on the other hand not many aircraft have this capabilaty). Even the old Mig29 is a excelent fighter.

The problem is that both are short range fighters, and nowadays BVR (Beyond Visual Range) combat is said to be the tune of war. So even with the overpowered monster engines they start from a disadvantage, and are reduced to close range final stage interception.

The Mig-IMI though looks like a true inheritor of the long range air superiority/interceptor fighter the Mig-31 had been - which is still a hell of a plane even nowadays.

Finally the latest Su-27 incarnates (Su-33,35 and 37) are the best middle range air superiority fighters and beside the last generation fighters (F22 Raptor, F35 and EF-Typoon) nothing has a chance against it in a 1 on 1 engagement. Their lack of stealth and supercruise though makes the later planes far superior in the non-centralised information networked air grid that becomes dominant in warfare.

BTW I agree that most Pre Capella Era ships are quite potent, and some of the newer designs aren't the best possible choice, though it is a known issue that economist can screw you twice and still persuade your boss/wife/mother in law that it was done for your improovement.

There greatest shortcoming though is there inability to withstand prolonged engagemnts like their Cappela Era brothers do.

[AlphaOne]

Agreed .   But still I must say that the best choice for the GTVA   would  of  been   to  try  and   improv e    on the Orion design like they did with the Herc.

[Zarax]

Improved?
Except for some extra armor the herc2 was definitely not an improvement over the herc1...

[Liberator]

Well, the Aeolus is a definite improvment over the Leviathan, I've just never been clear on why it was so expensive to produce coparatively.

[wolfdog]

Originally posted by Zarax
Improved?
Except for some extra armor the herc2 was definitely not an improvement over the herc1...

.... have you ever done multiplayer...??? ok.. you can get kills in a Herc 1.. but.... it's..  a.. brick... just lacks manouverability (and yes, I don't know how to spell that )

so, the Herc  1 has more  Gunpoints... that's cool... but...  that's the only thing better about the Herc 1 IMO....

[Zarax]

The Herc is an assault fighter, not a dogfighter...

[StratComm]

Originally posted by Liberator
Well, the Aeolus is a definite improvment over the Leviathan, I've just never been clear on why it was so expensive to produce coparatively.

I think the Aeolus line was dropped because they were no longer constructing Fenris/Leviathan frames, and because the construction of an Aeolus was not significantly cheaper than the construction of a Deimos.  I still think the GTVA is out of its mind for dropping cruisers from their fleets, but that's the plot of FS2 as it stands.