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Offline Ace

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Originally posted by Liberator
The "main stream" of your party is composed of nutjobs who are increasingly living in their own little dreamworlds, and call everyone who contradicts them liars, fools, ect.


Same with your side too :p But oh wait... no one is supposed to realize that... oopsy! :rolleyes:
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And the mainstream of yours isn't composed by religious nutjob who are increasingly living in their own little world where they are the good one and everybody else is simply evil ? Yeah, riiiiiggggghhhhhttttt...... :p
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Don't worry, Bush is calling his friend Putin to help him redesign the US constitution in a more democratic way...
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You're right Liberator, the Democratic party is growing increasingly out of touch with its base. It is now trying to cater to wannabe Republicans and those who would have otherwise voted for Bush were it not for Iraq. They have abandoned the heart and soul of the Democratic party: the antiwar movement, progressives and the middle and lower classes. They have become a tool for the interests of the ruling elite, just like the Republicans, and promise endless war, just like the Republicans.

And for the record, the United States has also grown increasingly out of touch with the rest of the world. You question Kerry's ability to rule because he is out of touch, but what about America; they're out of touch but I don't hear you complaining about their rule.

Why is it that in your world view, anyone with a conscience is a radical socialist nutjob? If I give a **** about the welfare people in Iraq, or Palestine, or in the Third World, why am I branded a Commie and ignored out of hand? I don't go around saying that about you, that you're all greedy imperialisr jinogs, even though I would be more justified in doing so, given both present circumstances and historical precedent. But I don't.

 

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Okay, let's get things parsed out here.

When I say the Democrats are nutjobs, I mean the Micheal Moore and those like him who want to play social experiments with my future and the futures of everyone else.  The Political Democrats, those that are supposedly public servants, are nothing but sycophants who do what ever it takes so they don't have to face the realities of real life outside The Beltway.  There are very few real public servants in politics any more, which is one of the few things the Founding Fathers didn't forsee when they wrote the Constitution, Career Politicians.

If I thought it would pass, I would push for global Term Limits for all public office holders, retroactive to their initial office held, with the remainder of their current term to maintain some continuity in service.  It would put the power back into the hands of the people as they would actually have to think some about who they send to represent them when their supposed servant runs out of terms.  There are too many offices that go uncontested in this country, and I for one and sick of it.  No public office should ever go uncontested, even if it's just for show.
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Keep your problems in America:)

Not our problem you cant run elections without 50% of your country crying over the results.

Mexicans invading the us.. us invading canada.. lol.... screw this i"m going to the artic
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this is turning into a WWE royal rumble match...

 

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Offline Rictor

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Okay, let's get things parsed out here.

When I say the Democrats are nutjobs, I mean the Micheal Moore and those like him who want to play social experiments with my future and the futures of everyone else.  The Political Democrats, those that are supposedly public servants, are nothing but sycophants who do what ever it takes so they don't have to face the realities of real life outside The Beltway.  There are very few real public servants in politics any more, which is one of the few things the Founding Fathers didn't forsee when they wrote the Constitution, Career Politicians.

If I thought it would pass, I would push for global Term Limits for all public office holders, retroactive to their initial office held, with the remainder of their current term to maintain some continuity in service.  It would put the power back into the hands of the people as they would actually have to think some about who they send to represent them when their supposed servant runs out of terms.  There are too many offices that go uncontested in this country, and I for one and sick of it.  No public office should ever go uncontested, even if it's just for show.


So basically, what you're saying is that you don't really think all Democrats are nutjobs, only those who actually represent their beliefs instead the grey-faced beaurocrats who are closer to the Republican mindset than they are to their base (Tom Daschle, Joe Lieberman...pretty much all of the DLC, including our boy Kerry)

So what is it that the lefty nutjobs stand for thats so terrible? The basic principles of the "Michael Moore liberal", as far as I have been able to discern, are:

1. Opposition to war. War is bad, lots of people die, and they are almost never, ever waged to a just reason. War always bring devastation to some foreign peoples who have done nothing to deserve it, and is matched by a loss of freedoms at home. Hence, war is bad.

2. The belief that anyone is free to do anything, so long as it does not infringe upon someone else's freedom. The mindset that is opposed to gay marriage now is the same mindset that supported segregation back in the day. The simple fact is, the federal government does not have any jurisdiction over your private life. You can marry a dog for all I care, its none of my business. Same goes for drugs. Though I will concede that abortion is sort of iffy, and is not a straight-cut case of personal freedoms.

3. The belief that in a nation as prosperous as America, no one should die for lack of food, shelter or readily available medicine. This is not a case of stealing from the rich to give to the poor, this is a case of stealing (taxing) equally from both the rich and poor. I don't know how you can call Bush a moral man, while he's busy making sure that when it comes down to the life of some old person, or the profit of a drug company, profit wins every time. Thats the basic jist of it, people are more important than profit.

4. Belief that we should preservew our environment, cause its the only one we have. Nothing takes priority over the environment, not business, not the military, nothing. Once its gone, thats it. The damage can not be repaired, except by natural processes that last millions of years. And you may think that the environmentalists are being too alarmist, but so what? Better to err on te side of caution, in something as important as this.

5. Belief that society should be ruled by everyone, not just the obscenely wealthy. You know as well as I do that power is concentrated at the top: a handful of people make all the decisions. These include elected officials, senators and congressmen, media moguls, special interests and big business. And let me ask you, is this democratic?

And this last point is something that some, though not nearly enough, people believe.

6. The the US has no authority to dictate life for people in foreign countries. Essenially, that the US should not be an empire, lording over the world. You can deny a lot of thing, but you can't deny that the US has tremendous influence, and that is has not hesitated to use that influence to benefit itself, usually to the detrement of foreign people.  No more wars, no more military bases, no more coups, no more puppet regimes, no more support for tyrants, no more economic interventions, no more subverting democracy and national sovereignty. Keep within your own damn borders, just like everyone else. You are not special, not the world's police, not the guardians of freedom. Stay within your own borders.


--Now point out with which of those beliefs you have a problem?

  

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Rictor, what are you talking about???

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Offline Rictor

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Well, you do make a pretty persuasive arguement.

 

Offline Liberator

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Rictor, I don't mind some of their positions.  It's just when they stoop to lying on the scale MM has to try and prove their point that I begin to have problems.  MM himself is one of the biggest hypocrites in history.  He preaches and proclaims the greatness of communism/socialism and then procedes to make millions using capitalism thus neutralizing his arguments.  And I apologize about the part about the politicians, I didn't finish my thought.  What I meant was that the Democratic leadership has been increasingly pandering to the far, far, wacko left.  And their the ones that are telling US that WE have to compromise our principles because we won, when it should be the other way 'round.
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As far as I'm concerned, being Canadian rocks.

We have free healthcare! :D Small population, so come on over, weather's not as bad as everyone thinks...
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Yeah, in the summer.
The only place that winters dont suck in Canada is Vancouver. And they're still not that pleasant there. All it does is rain.

 

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As far as I'm concerned, being Canadian rocks.

We have free healthcare! :D  


So do we! And the weather is as good as everyone thinks :D (Well, except in Melbourne)

But, err... meh. Go to Canada.
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Yeah, in the summer.
The only place that winters dont suck in Canada is Vancouver. And they're still not that pleasant there. All it does is rain.

Oh summers in Southern Ontario are as good as they get...at least normally. This last summer sucked but the rest of the ones that I can remember were great.

We get the best of all worlds here.  Just enough snow to close schools and businesses sometimes.  Just enough heat to make it practical to go to the beach.  A beach!  (Lake Ontario baby - take your bio-hardzard suit tho :))  

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Been to Canada, it was pretty cool.  I even met Thorn...
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Poor dear, it must have been so terrible.

I don't know where you're living Ice, but summers around Toronto are unbearably humid. There's always a week or two of temperatures around 40 degrees, and the humidity is a killer. Especially near Lake Ontario, its like being in a rainforest.

 

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Originally posted by Liberator

When I say the Democrats are nutjobs, I mean the Micheal Moore and those like him who want to play social experiments with my future and the futures of everyone else.  


Michael Moore is as much a representative of the Democratic Party as Michael Savage is of the Republican Party.

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Poor dear, it must have been so terrible.

I don't know where you're living Ice, but summers around Toronto are unbearably humid. There's always a week or two of temperatures around 40 degrees, and the humidity is a killer. Especially near Lake Ontario, its like being in a rainforest.


And the thunder storms.... :nervous:

99 degrees in the middle of Hamilton and I could see lightning dancing around the city.
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Poor dear, it must have been so terrible.

I don't know where you're living Ice, but summers around Toronto are unbearably humid. There's always a week or two of temperatures around 40 degrees, and the humidity is a killer. Especially near Lake Ontario, its like being in a rainforest.

That doesn't bother me one bit.  We go from rainforest to artic paradise in the course of 4 months :)

But I'll take the 30-40 degress more often...less clothes on the ladies ;7
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