[Grey Wolf]

Normal, common-sense enviromentalism is not bad. When you get to things like PETA, that's a sign of things having gone far beyond what they should....

[aldo_14]

It's when they descend to the level of blatant hypocracy that gets me.... be nice to animals, but feel free to stalk and abuse people who work in labs?  And do they turn down medical aid if it's tested on animals?  Do they ****

[Flipside]

They've been working on a policy of Terrorism for years, and not much was done about them

But I agree, responsibility is one thing, but this is taking responsibility to extremes.

[.::Tin Can::.]

These people piss me off to no end. What were animals meant to do? Multiply, eat food, get eaten, rinse and repeat? What are humans meant to do? Tranform the earth for a more intelligence species to live.  If, as they say, meat is murder, then murder tastes damn good.

[Grey Wolf]

I could understand if they were campaigning to preserve old growth forsests, or to decrease output of toxic chemicals from factories. But when they start complaining about people eating meat, they need a basic education in the design of the human body. It's designed to be omnivorous. A prominent sign of this is the combination of teeth designs present in carnivores and omnivores. It's unnatural for people not to eat meat.

[Ford Prefect]

There's a difference between the environmentalists and the animal rights activists.

I consider myself an environmentalist because I would like the destruction of the environment to be prevented, but it isn't on moral grounds. It's simply the fact that if we destroy the environment, we're going to die.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Exactly.

Good thing that where I live, even in the most populated areas there are still tons of trees.

[SadisticSid]

Originally posted by aldo_14
It's when they descend to the level of blatant hypocracy that gets me.... be nice to animals, but feel free to stalk and abuse people who work in labs?  And do they turn down medical aid if it's tested on animals?  Do they ****

The ALF defiled the grave of some poor woman whose husband bred guinea pigs to send to medical labs recently. ****ing evil terrorist scum.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by SadisticSid


The ALF defiled the grave of some poor woman whose husband bred guinea pigs to send to medical labs recently. ****ing evil terrorist scum.

Ah, yes.  This was where they stole the body of a grandmother.  Very nice work, really spreading a message worth spreading.

[karajorma]

A couple of years ago a prisoner in the UK went on hunger strike. The news mentioned him all the time and I followed it with some small amount of interest until I learnt what the guy had done.

Apparently he was an animal rights activist. A member of the Animal Liberation Front (who were somewhat big a while ago in the UK). He decided that since the Imperial Cancer Research Fund (A charity who devote their time to raising money for research into a cancer cure) supported animal research that made them a valid target.

So he set out to firebomb ICRF charity shops. These are shops selling second hand items to raise money. They're usually run by retired people who give their time up for free.

After that I decided that not only did I not care if the bastard starved himself to death but that if I worked at the prison I would have made a point to eat my dinner in front of him. That or thrown bacon at him to see at what point his resolve would give in.

[Annihilation]

These people actually hurt the enviromentalist cause. Look here at this topic, just because of anger against these morons they are saying things against animals and environment.

The best way to reduce human population (more than 6 billion will make life hellish to everyone, it is already that for most of humanity) is giving good education to people and equal rights to women. Well educated people and integrated women have way less children and these children are not used as cheap labor in some Nike factory. There are no other way to test chemicals than animals, blame our tech level, but it is possible to make tests without cruelty.

All environment question can be solved with political lobby, education and peopple who use their brains. These stupid, f****** morons only make people think than anyone interested in living in a better planet is an idiot (some posts here prove that) like the al-qaeda make all muslims look like suicidal bombers. It's sad that many people have to suffer because of the idiocy of others. But, well, that's happens since the dawn of history...

[TrashMan]

I love nature and respect and cherish all life in all formes.
I really don't belive humantiy to be so superior as we think we are (epscially not when the shivans come and blow us all to dust).

Enviroment needs to be protected from both a logical and a moral standpoint.
Logical - we cannot exist without nature. the pollution levels in some areas are allready extreeme. 90% of water in all rivers and lakes polluted, and water is the source of life. Then let's not forget ozon holes, smog, acid rains, and stuff like that...

For a moral point of wiev - killing or torturing any sentient form of life for anything but survival is just plain wrong. Very simple...

As for the meat thing - yeah. Humans more or less need meat. While you can live off veggies, they are poor in some substances meat has in abdundance. And vice-versa. In other words - humans are made to eath both, and not getting both can be bad for your health (not seriously bad, but still bad)
Untill the day we have replicators, I really can't see how anyone can have anything against eating meat.

Fur on the other hand is a different thing...

[Mongoose]

Wait...they're against zoos?!  Are they completely ignorant of the fact that zoos around the world sponsor thousands of coordination efforts to save endangered species?  The only thing these people deserve is a Darwin Award, and fast.

P.S.  Hehe at the Maddox pic.

[Black Wolf]

This guy is a classic example of right idea, wrong reasons. If I'm rememberigng my numbers right (and even if I'm not, the basic sentiment is correct), every American has an ecological footprint of 10.3 ha. That's the amount of land it takes to feed, clothe and supply each american every year. Theirs is the highest in the world, but the rest of the western world is prettyt high too. If we were to bring the quality of life for the entire human population up to the European average (which is about six or so) then we'd need 3 planets. Even if you try to account for technological and agricultural advances, the footprint couldn;t possibly decrease by more than half, so we'd still be overusing our globe. The environment and population numbers simply don't add up.

[Bobboau]

"Lee is serious enough about reducing the population to have had a vasectomy. "

I think he's got the right idea, now if only we can get them all to think this way.

[Carl]

Unfortunately that wouldn't solve the problem, since environmental extremism isn't hereditary.

[Singh]

Originally posted by an0n
PETA!? PETA!?!!?

[size=9]RRRRAAAAAAGGGGGHH!!![/size] [/B]

errr.....Peta?

[Singh]

Originally posted by Nuke
i dont like vegans for their discrimination against plant life

Which means you would hate the half-billion Indian Vegetarians (probably more) simply because of what they eat? That includes me ya know

[Cabbie]

I agree, humans were able to develop a relatively advance civilization because of a diet of high energy protein and fat.  If we were vegetarians we won't have enough time to do anything else then eat because we need to eat huge amounts of vegetables just to fuel our bodies.

[Bobboau]

Humans are animals, we kill and eat other animals and plants much like most other animals, we don't care about the animals we eat this is a result of the fact that if we did we would be dead, anyone who was stupid enough to over expand there cultral alignment to include animals fails to reproduce effectively, that's why the vasy majority of people are at least sane enough to not firebomb medical research facilities, a masquido doesn't care about you so you shouldn't care about the lab rat.

someone find an animal rights forum for us to invade, or direct them to this thread, I'm in the mood for some moron bashing.