[Carl]

hmmm...maybe not.



however, there appears to be some yellow haze on the floor, which would indicate there being an atmosphere.

[willy_principal]

hey.........is there somewhere some AVI version of FS1 cutscenes???? I would love to see them...

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Carl
hmmm...maybe not.



however, there appears to be some yellow haze on the floor, which would indicate there being an atmosphere.

The fact the Marine's gear doesn't have anything covering his eyes would both absolutely prove there is an atmosphere, and also indicate that the atmosphere, while perhaps not breathable, is not immeditately dangerous to humans with their own oxygen supply. It might even be breathable.

[FireCrack]

Hmm, has [V] ever said anything official about shivans evolving in space? because if not this is preety good evidence to the contrary.

[NGTM-1R]

There is some speculation that the Shivans involved in a zero-gee environment, but that's not necessarily the same thing as evolving in a vacuum. (Although how you could have zero-gee and not vacuum, short of artifical spacecraft, I don't know...)

More to the point, since the Shivans we see are cybernetically enhanced, that really doesn't prove anything. They could have just added the parts that give the impression of having evolved in zero gravity. They can probably withstand vacuum because of the cybernetic enhancements as well.

[FireCrack]

The shivans are not cyberneticaly enhanced.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by willy_principal
hey.........is there somewhere some AVI version of FS1 cutscenes???? I would love to see them...

http://oregonstate.edu/~plankerj/FS1movies/

Thank Kosh for the webspace.

[Shaka]

Hi, just to point something about this "new" idea :
http://fragfiles.org/~hlstory//expandedinfo.htm

[Kie99]

I don't buy that crap about the Lucifer Fleet=Scouting Fleet.  If this is true then why the hell does the Lucifer have an invulnerable shield but none of the ships in FS2 do?
Why do Sath fleet ships have beams but Lucy Fleet ships don't.
Why do Lucy Fleet ships have scorpions but Sath Fleet ships don't!  
Scouting wave!?!?
I think the Lucifer Fleet was separated from the main Shivan Fleet Millenia ago and they both haappened to come across the GTVA.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by FireCrack
The shivans are not cyberneticaly enhanced.

Check your tech room.

"Their insect-like carapace does not appear original to the creature's physiogonmy, suggesting the Shivans are a cybernetic fusion of biology and technology."

Now, would you care to repeat that statement, FireCrack?

[FireCrack]

Originally posted by ngtm1r


Check your tech room.

"Their insect-like carapace does not appear original to the creature's physiogonmy, suggesting the Shivans are a cybernetic fusion of biology and technology."

Now, would you care to repeat that statement, FireCrack?

Volition ahs said officialy that they are not cybernetialy enhanced and what we are seeing is the real shivans body. What is in the tech room is what the GTVA thinks.

Now, would you care to repeat that statement, ngtm1r?

[NGTM-1R]

Yes, I would. Volition said that what we see in "Hallfight" is not a suit, like in ID4, or a Shivan robot.

That does not mean they are not cybernetically enhanced. If anything, it increases the likelyhood, since cybernetics are by definition a part of one's body.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by FireCrack
Volition ahs said officialy that they are not cybernetialy enhanced and what we are seeing is the real shivans body. What is in the tech room is what the GTVA thinks.

Now, would you care to repeat that statement, ngtm1r?

Actually IIRC what [V] said was that what we saw in Hall Fight were the real shivans. Not their pets, not battlesuits and not cyborgs they control.  

AFAIK [V] never said that the Shivans themselves weren't cyborgs.

[FireCrack]

oh, well i guess my definition of cyborg was a bit fuzzy.

[TrashMan]

So..just for the sake of resoning... if I make a mission in which a crew of a Shivan ship is incapacitated by a gas of some sorts...that would be plausable???

[Kie99]

Originally posted by High Max


Yes, scouting wave and I can say this for a few reasons. One, I thought it said in the back of the FS2 box that the Shivans of the Great War were only a scouting party (says something like, "after 32 years of no contact with their scouting party, the Shivans grow suspicious).

Two, The reason that the sathanas's don't have shields is probably because beam weaponry can penetrate shields and they feel that Sathanas's have sufficient armor and weaponry, thus they feel that the Sathanas's don't need shields because of the high armor, high weaponry, and high number of Sathanas's.

When you say that the Sathanas fleet has beams and the Lucifer fleet doesn't, that should reinforce the fact that it was a scouting party because a scouting party isn't meant to have as good as weaponry as the main fleet (scouting party, not task force or offensive force).

Maybe the rest of the scorpions are deep in Shivan space or perhaps the Shivans scrapped them all because they weren't good enough fighters but most likely, the Lucifer fleet had the only Scorpions that were ever made and the Shivans don't have them as part of the main fleet. Remember, it says in the tech database that Scorpions appear to be some form of Shivan scouting fighter. I also believe that Shantan bombers are a scouting bomber because of it's weak specs.

Would a scouting force annihilate planets?  If the Sath had a Lucifer-esque shield the Bombers wouldn't have been able to destroy its turrets and it would have beat the Living **** out of the Colossus.

[WeatherOp]

But, also remember, beams go thru shields. So what would be the point in shielding a Sath, The Lucifer maybe had shields because we didn't have Beams weapons to stop it.

[FireCrack]

Originally posted by High Max

I was able to destroy all 4 forward turrets and the 2 flak guns before the Sathanas departed. I wonder how many other people were able to complete all the objectives in that FS2 mission. I forgot the name of that mission but it was right before the mission, "High Noon".

the mission was 'Bearbaiting'

And i destroyed all 4 sath beams, forward flak, beleth beams, and beleth

[Pilot Of The US]

Well you know the lucifer has an invincible shield so (theroedically) it could hold out against beams. Even though the lucifer was just set to "indestructable".

[willy_principal]

it was set to "invincible"...(in the misc panel)
Beams do not damage shields, they pierce them, pass tru them directly...so the Lucifer can be destroyed by beam weapons only...