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Offline redmenace

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Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
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Offline pyro-manic

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Shame Khatami hasn't done what he said he'd do. I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised - there are some really hardcore clerics in the government that seem to be pulling all the strings. At least there are demonstrations happening now though - that's a step in the right direction. :yes:
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Offline redmenace

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I hope that we don't see another Tianemen Square incident :(
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Offline Gank

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The man sat and took abuse of students and no-one was even arrested yet you think theres going to be some sort of massacre? :rolleyes:
Read Khatamis statement:
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"There is no Third World country where the students can talk to their president and criticise the government as you do now.

now read this:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/04/27/artwork.investigated.ap/

 

Offline Flipside

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Just as an aside, there are actually pitifully few 'First World' countries that would allow that sort of thing. Certainly, in the US there would have been arrests etc had a group of students started accusing GW of letting them down, and even in the UK this would be hard to get away with.

In a way this is a demonstration of freedom beyond that which many more 'civilised' countries are capable of.

 

Offline ionia23

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Wow......

Regime change the way it's SUPPOSED to be done.
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Offline Thrilla

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Just as an aside, there are actually pitifully few 'First World' countries that would allow that sort of thing. Certainly, in the US there would have been arrests etc had a group of students started accusing GW of letting them down, and even in the UK this would be hard to get away with.

In a way this is a demonstration of freedom beyond that which many more 'civilised' countries are capable of.


People protest here in America like that.  You should have seen some of the election areas around Nov. 2nd.  As long as there isn't any violence.  There were alot of "F' Bush" signs being waved by people.  And yes they literally said F' em.
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Offline ionia23

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Some of us who went to see Michael Moore when he came to Arizona got assaulted (physically) by Bush supporters.  

Advice: NEVER lip off to a crowd of people who want to kill you.  That sucked.
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Offline aldo_14

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Wow......

Regime change the way it's SUPPOSED to be done.


That's exactly the thought that occured to me.............

 

Offline Flipside

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People protest here in America like that.  You should have seen some of the election areas around Nov. 2nd.  As long as there isn't any violence.  There were alot of "F' Bush" signs being waved by people.  And yes they literally said F' em.


Oh the spirit is still alive, but were these banners being waved in 'Free Speech zones' or were people actually in front of Big Bad George making their feelings felt within his hearing?

 

Offline Gank

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http://republican-news.org/archive/2003/May22/22usio.html
Source aint the best but it was the only site a quick search turned up.

Thrilla, this wasnt a protest, it was a conference. They were in the room with the guy. Your president rarely even meets the press face to face.

 

Offline Flipside

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Yes, Ireland's political system works much like Australias, i.e. theres still some fire left in it, alas I fear much of England and Scotland has had the spirit beaten out of it, and what's left is being squashed by anti-terrorism laws :(

 

Offline Gank

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Not really, we got one main party which is basically the ideological equivelent of new labour, the main opposition who are Irelands answer to the tories and one or two others rough equivelents of the lib dems. Apart from the anti-terrorism stuff we're pretty much in the same boat, though Bertie is a bit more palatable than Tony Bush. We let the terrorists take part in elections, would be a bit unfair not to as pratically every political party in the country was formed by the IRA at one point or another.

 

Offline aldo_14

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So your main and opposition party are essentially identical then?  :D

With Scotland.... i'm not sure if we have the same freedom or will to complain, but we do still get people elected to the devolved Parliament who wouldn't get elected in many other countries or in England; Scottish Socialists (I'm still not sure this is good, natch), the Greens, one MP from the OAPs Alliance or whatever it is and a doctor standing on a single issue; to stop them closing Stobhill hospital (which is important to me as my dad needed to go there for..um...stuff).

 Partly due to the fact we have 4 parties (SNP, albeit the tories are now so out of it their next UK election manifesto basically targets big voting & money allocation cuts for Scotland), but there have also been a few 'common sense' victories, too.  Such as stopping a few hospital closure such as the Queen Marys in Glasgow (notable as a hospital situated next to a specialist childcare unit, the aim of the 'government' seems to be to close every hospital service and have one gigantic one in the middle of sodding nowhere).  Also helps that it's a Lib-Lab coalition that's in power and the SNP opposition are close enough that the Lib Dems could switch to them and form a different coalition government).  Also in arranging it so I & other Scots don't have to pay tuition fees for Scottish unis :D.

Scottish parliament...works in places.  It's subject to the usual problems (it's run by politicians), but at least there's some freedom to do stuff better in certain areas.  Unfortunately, I think ID cards are out its jurisdiction.

 

Offline Thrilla

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Oh the spirit is still alive, but were these banners being waved in 'Free Speech zones' or were people actually in front of Big Bad George making their feelings felt within his hearing?


People do it all the time, they just don't point cameras at the crowd.  :)

There is a reason he doesn't have conferences with the public.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2004, 04:43:21 pm by 2311 »
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Offline redmenace

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There are some people from Iran that believe that things are going to hit a critical mass. Something like, 98% have had it with the idiocy in thier gov't.
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Offline Thrilla

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Good...That means they won't send me to Iran after I go to Iraq!
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Offline pyro-manic

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Yes, Ireland's political system works much like Australias, i.e. theres still some fire left in it, alas I fear much of England and Scotland has had the spirit beaten out of it, and what's left is being squashed by anti-terrorism laws :(


Ahem????

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There is a reason he doesn't have conferences with the public.


Yeah. He'd be covered in **** inside 30 seconds. Or on the floor with his "brains" up the wall behind him....
« Last Edit: December 08, 2004, 07:51:30 pm by 853 »
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Offline Flipside

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ahem? Care to elaborate? ;)

 

Offline pyro-manic

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You're forgetting a nation....
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