[Janos]

According to Globalsecurity.org, "ut the 3M82 "Mosquito" missiles are extremely fast and give the defending side a maximum theoretical response time of merely 25-30 seconds, rendering it extremely difficult employ jamming and countermeasures, let alone fire missiles and quick-firing artillery."

However, did you already address the range issue on Sunburn? Claimed ranges vary, most often cited being just 120km. That's not much, and the missile has to be brought to at least that distance from intended to target to be useful. Either insanely large Flanker rush (and I am saying Big Rush) or a lone infiltrator (must use stealth or is ****ed). And there's the entire "find the CV" -issue, again.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Gank


Ehh, let me reiterate myself AEGIS CANNOT TAKE DOWN A MOSKIT.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20607
http://www.mcsm.org/1strike.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/22/190620.shtml
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/966345/posts
http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2131524.php

I was wrong about the 15 seconds btw, an Aegis has 2.5 seconds to detect and kill a Sunburn from launch to impact.

Are you reading comprehension deficient?  Not one of those articles paid more than a few lines to Aegis - they were focussed on Phalanx and RAM, both of which are close defense systems.  It even says 'Phalanx has 2.5 seconds to engage an inbound Moskit'.  NOTHING about Aegis.

And some words on the AEGIS from a man whos actually commanded them:
 
http://abc.net.au/4corners/roguestate/interviews/carroll.htm [/B]

Notice the complete lack of figures?  Or anything beyond vague generalities?  Hardly an in-depth look at the highs and lows of the Aegis system.  Find me a reputable source in a reputable context that actually has relevant, detailed information.

[Zarax]

You don't need supersonic missiles to take down an Aegis system.
You just need an awful lot of them (IE 200 cruise missiles would work... Aegis carries an operative payload of 96 warheads, after that it takes quite long to recharge).
This is also true for any defence system... Bring a large enough number of them and you'll overload/make them run out of ammo

[Gank]

Originally posted by Shrike
Are you reading comprehension deficient?  Not one of those articles paid more than a few lines to Aegis - they were focussed on Phalanx and RAM, both of which are close defense systems.  It even says 'Phalanx has 2.5 seconds to engage an inbound Moskit'.  NOTHING about Aegis.

USS Stark.
edit: bollox, wrong ship, I was thinking of the vincentes, which is aegis and which didnt get hit by two exocets. Anyways

Powered by a liquid-ramjet engine with four solid rocket boosters, The 3M80 missile has the fastest flying speed among all anti-ship missiles in today's world. The missile is supersonic (Mach 2.1), low-flying (7 to 20 m, or about 23 to 66 feet, above the surface of the water) and performs a terminal ‘S’ manoeuvre (pulling up to 15G) to evade close-in defenses at a distance of 5 to 7 km (about 2.7 to 3.8 nautical miles) to its target. The 3M-80E missile, an improved variant of the basic 3M-80, has an operational range of 160 km.
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During its initial flight stage, the 3M-80E uses inertia guidance with update input from the targeting radar onboard a shipborne helicopter or a space satellite. When it is reaching the final stage of its flight, the missile’s Altair-designed multi-channel seeker uses active radar, anti-radiation and home-on-jam modes to ensure that the missile hits the target.

Its designed to defeat the Aegis system. Older sov missiles like the Kelt and kingfish (was wrong on the subsonic apols) fly at high level and perform a terminal dive on the target, this is why the sams on the Aegis are verticle launch. The sea skimming  supersonic moskit  is too fast for the missiles to turn and engage quick enough, rendering them useless. Phalanx is next to useless because of the violent terminal manueveurs the moskit performs. Bear in mind this is all presuming the aegis survives the Krypton missiles which have been fired at it, theyre twice as fast as the Moskit.

Originally posted by Shrike
Notice the complete lack of figures?  Or anything beyond vague generalities?  Hardly an in-depth look at the highs and lows of the Aegis system.  Find me a reputable source in a reputable context that actually has relevant, detailed information.

umm, like your posts perhaps, you havent provided anything accept vague assurances that AEGIS can take down a Moskit. Tell you what, YOU go find a reputable source in a reputable context that actually has relevant, detailed information which supports what you're saying, because until you do the vague generalities of a former US navy rear admiral have more weight than your vague generalities, presuming your not a former rear admiral as well. You arent, right?

[Zarax]

Let's solve it in the simplest way...
Find the specs of:
Sea Sparrow
RIMM96 (phalanx)
Whatever ASM you want.
A crude but unbiased way to see what they can and cannot do...

[Gank]

Originally posted by Janos
However, did you already address the range issue on Sunburn? Claimed ranges vary, most often cited being just 120km. That's not much, and the missile has to be brought to at least that distance from intended to target to be useful. Either insanely large Flanker rush (and I am saying Big Rush) or a lone infiltrator (must use stealth or is ****ed). And there's the entire "find the CV" -issue, again.

As we stated before, CVs can hang off and lose range, not something F18s have a lot of, or come in and fight. As for flanker rush, Fantan rush, Flanker in the back. Gonna give you a we bit of credit and presume you can see where that goes. Bear in mind too the Mach 4 Kryptons are designed to hit Awacs as well as ground based radar.

[Zarax]

Bear in mind that you need IR to hit an AWACS for sure, as their radar jammers aren't something easy to fool...

[Flipside]

Is this scenario America attacking China or Vice Versa, since China is very big, and that has advantages and disadvantages for both sides?

[Zarax]

Well, i think that they are describing single tactical scenarios rather than strategic ones...
BTW, what would be really "interesting" would be Russia + China + India against something else...

[Grey Wolf]

I'm still waiting for a few of these scenarios to blow. India vs. Pakistan, and also China vs. Taiwan. Both of those could have some rather odd effects...

[Gank]

Originally posted by Flipside
Is this scenario America attacking China or Vice Versa, since China is very big, and that has advantages and disadvantages for both sides?

Bar the few LRBMs they have China is incapable of attacking the US.

[Zarax]

Stick to conventional warfare, if you take that to LRBMs then you can chant "this is the end, my friend"

[Flipside]

Well, all I'll say is that it doesn't matter how good the weapons are if you have to spread them over a massive border then the net of protection os either going to be weak or have holes in it.

China has a massive border, it runs past India, Mongolia, part of Russia in the North, and Burma, Vietnam, Thailand and several other smaller countries in the South. It probably over 5000km of border. You'd need a LOT of weaponry to defend that properly.

My thoughts are that a hypothetical war against China would be similar to Iraq, only worse. America could probably win Militarily, America has had more of the 'luxury' of testing it's equipment against Russian counterparts than vice-versa, however, unless America is prepared to use WMD's of some description, any kind of troop movement inside the border would be impossible. It would be a pointless war.

If the reverse were to happen and China attacked the US, once again, unless they were prepared to use WMD's they wouldn't stand a hope. America can certainly defend it's own soil if need be, and wouldn't hesitate to use WMD's in that situation.

[Janos]

LOGISTICS

[Bobboau]

with the amount of privately owned military equipment over here, I'd actualy like to see some nation try to occupy a peice of it.

[Knight Templar]

We have nothing other than a .22.. I think... that's in the attic somewhere.