[willy_principal]

What's the GTVA? a political entity comprised by:
The security COuncil
The General Assembly
The Vasuda Imperium

but.............what are their responsibilities of each?
What's the responsibility of the GTVA if a civil war brokes in a planet.......would it act like the UN? or something?
How are the politics in the GTVA elected...?

I think the GTVA wouldn't intervere in intro-planet conflicts...
because their authority resides in space and inter-system / planet relations...

[Sesquipedalian]

That last paragraph is surely false.  Both the Imperium and the General Assembly serve as the "federal" governments for their respective species, with planetary goverments serving like "provincial" (or "state," for you Americans) levels of government.  The Security Council does what it sounds like: ensures security.

As for elections, who knows?  Make it up as you see fit.

[JR2000Z]

Don't they have this in the tech room?

Security Council is like the Homeland Security...

General Assembly is like Congress..

And the Vasuda Imperium is like the Vasudan rights activists.


I see it as each system has it's own 'state' government while the GTVA  is the federal.

[Carl]

The general Assembly is probably made up of executive, legislative, and judical branches, while the Vasuda Imperium is mainly a monarchy ruled by Konsu II. The security council is probably the military, including the GTVA fleet (stellar navy) and other branches such as land, air, and aquatic navy.

[Ace]

From the bit of information there is:

General Assembly- Think UN. All of the Terran blocs are represented by the assembly. The GTVA is merely a series of treaties like the modern day European Union.

Vasudan Imperium- The monarchy ran by Khonsu II. His word is law, and while an overall branch of the GTVA the Vasudans most likely voice their authority in the General Assembly or through other means worked out through treaties.

Security Council- The high ranking military officers of the Vasudan Imperial Navy and the GTVA fleet (the Terran portions). The Security Council and General Assembly appear to have equal rank clearance. The Security Council sets military/intelligence policy. Most likely at the behest of the Terran blocs and the Imperium. However, it does appear that sometimes they allow slip-ups for the 'good' of the alliance. (i.e. allowing Bosch to rebel and activate the Knossos) So, the actual role of the Security Council seems rather vague as it possibly exerts quite a bit of force.

The GTVA is really a hodge-podge government of byzantine trade treaties and defense pacts. The military forces are the most organized segment. Most likely the GTVA keeps Terran pilots cycled through fleets and such to help break down bloc-loyalties.

...and from a few subtle hints the GTA was a government that worked and formed in a similar way. (i.e. no big glorious 'unification wars' like some fans want, however inter-system tensions would and could still exist played on for the reasons of an illusion of competing markets and then swept under the rug when a real threat, the Vasudans, appear)

SOC is Special Operations Command. A segment of the GTVI that deals with special operations that appear to require a mixture of skills such as espionage, piloting, etc.

The GTVI is the intelligence division of the joint GTVA military and reports directly to the Security Council and General Assembly. (this is more due to how the data classification system works though) Due to the centralized structure of the Imperium and its military (Vasudan Tactical Command is an example, they seem to have one giant overriding command structure above each fleet's command) it is likely that there are seperate Vasudan Intelligence groups that then are part of the GTVI as a whole. Due to the Hades rebellion it is also likely that the Terran divisions of the GTVI are under great scruitiny by some blocs moreso than others.

[Carl]

and where do GTVI and SOC come in?

[Liberator]

GTVI == CIA
SOC == Impossible Mission Force(okay I watched Mission: Impossible the other day)

The GTVA works like the modern US governmental system.  Each system works like a state.  The General Assembly is composed of a single representative from each system(one system/one vote).  The Vasudan Imperium is a subset of the Vasudan systems that are subservient to the Emperor and cast their votes in the General Assembly according to his will and perhaps have ludicrously benevolent trade agreements within themselves.  I say a subset because it's possible that some Vasudan systems would experiment with democracy once they had been exposed to the Idea through their contact with Terrans.

[NGTM-1R]

GTVI is the military intelligence branch of the GTVA. As to whether GTVI falls under the control of the military or is somehow independant of them, that's open to question. I favor them falling under the command of the GTVA's regular military, since they seem to be primarily concerned with military intelligence, as opposed to economic or political.

SOC is the special-ops branch. Whether are a sub-unit of GTVI, or are a sub-unit of the regular military, is an open question. I suspect, however, they are technically a part of the regular military but work more closely with GTVI.

[FireCrack]

Well looking through the cbanim didnt show a whole lot, but on the bright side i saw some vasudan writing wich someone was asking about a while ago.

You can see it for Mechu enterprises and the Acheton corp in the list of corparations when ships are being compared

(atleast i think it's vasudan)

[Ace]

Originally posted by Liberator
The GTVA works like the modern US governmental system.  Each system works like a state.  The General Assembly is composed of a single representative from each system(one system/one vote).  The Vasudan Imperium is a subset of the Vasudan systems that are subservient to the Emperor and cast their votes in the General Assembly according to his will and perhaps have ludicrously benevolent trade agreements within themselves.  I say a subset because it's possible that some Vasudan systems would experiment with democracy once they had been exposed to the Idea through their contact with Terrans.

Volition makes it very clear that the GTVA is held together by treaties and pacts, not a constitution/federal system. So it's definately not like the modern US. The different constituents of the GTVA also appear to have very different government systems, and some are small alliances as well. (The Luyten Free Alliance being one example)

Also, the Vasudans *did* "experiment" with democracy through the Parliament of Vasuda. Which was corrupt and messy and at least partially responsible for the 14-year war. The result would have been a conservative reaction for the theocratic state that Khonsu II promised. In other words, they tasted the fruit of democracy and didn't want to go there, they see more benefit in their traditions.

[NGTM-1R]

I always assumed that the member-worlds (or larger organizations) of the GTVA (and the GTA before it) had traded control of external policy in exchange for military protection, economic benefits (free trade), and possibly assurances that if things for them go totally to hell, whether economically, socially, or politically, somebody will be there to help them clean up the mess.

Also, a statement made by Command during "Mystery of the Trinity" leads one to believe the GTVA is more then just the alliance it calls itself. "Your designation is incorrect, Roemig. Your ship defected to the NTF ten days ago. You have been stripped of your rank and citizenship in the GTVA. Surrender the Trinity, or be destroyed." (Emphasis mine.)

I'm going to hazard a guess and say the GTVA is comparable to the Consortium of Civilized Worlds from Rifts. It is a collection of worlds that have surrendered control of their external policy in exchange for economic benefits and military protection. There is a minimum standard that a member-world or member-alliance of the GTVA must meet in terms of the rights of its citizens (though not necessarily the form of government: if a military dictatorship can give its citizens basic rights and manage to not infringe on them constantly, it could in theory join), basic things such as trial by jury and such. If a world does not meet the minimum standards, it is not accepted. If it falls below the minimum standard, it is kicked out.

Dual citizenship in both the GTVA and the appropriate member-world or member-alliance is automatically granted. In cases where the laws of the two conflict, the laws of the GTVA take precedence. Those who serve the GTVA directly, as part of the armed forces or in some other capacity, are considered to be citizens of the GTVA and the GTVA only, and may not be held accountable to any laws but those of the GTVA. Civilians not working for the GTVA are subject to both GTVA law and those of wherever they happen to be at the moment.

Members of the GTVA would appear to not be allowed to maintain their own military forces, or at least ones of significant size. The NTF, after all, was composed of mainly the GTVA 6th Fleet and ships recovered and reconditioned from the boneyard in Polaris.

[phreak]

the "stripped of your rank and citizenship" line makes be believe something like Starship Troopers where serving in the military is the only way to become a citizen of the society

[Ace]

Yeah, I'm under the impression too that the Terran blocs trade their own militaries to be a part of the overall GTVA military. In trade, they are citizens of the overall GTVA. (It'd be like a fancy way of saying you don't have to use a passport, currency exchange, etc. when moving between member governments. Although it's likely that movement between Terran and Vasudan systems is more restricted, which is why the cultures are still more seperate. If you are stripped of your citizenship, it's effective exile to your home world/system)

Then the military is segregated between the Galactic Terran and Galactic Vasudan forces.

However, this is the result of a series of treaties like BETAC, not a constitution or somesuch. In other words, it works quite a bit different than any modern or even historic government. (though it's sort of like the treaties between the Greek cities)

Plus, you have to keep in mind that the GTVA is still relatively young. The Imperium and various Terran governments formed pretty quickly after Silent Threat, but the GTVA itself was slowly built over time.

[NGTM-1R]

The Imperium always exsisted, technically, it's just that until Khonsu II came along (or possibly not until he decided enough was enough) the Emperor had relatively little power.

Also the GTVA was formed within ten years of the Lucifer attack, reference the Colossus cutscene ("On the tenth anniversy of the Shivan attack on Ross 128, Emperor Khonsu II addressed the newly-formed GTVA General Assembly."). It formed fairly rapidly as well.

[Carl]

Originally posted by PhReAk
the "stripped of your rank and citizenship" line makes be believe something like Starship Troopers where serving in the military is the only way to become a citizen of the society

I highly doubt it. you aren't stripped of your citizenship because you're getting kicked out of the army, you're stripped of both your citizen ship and rank because you're a traitor.

[willy_principal]

planets run by their own government?

What would happen if a revolution rises in a planet..but the conflict stays in the planet, and it doesn't expands to the space...
Can the GTVA get involved in that conflict...or it's like the UN...it would send humanitarian aid and peacekeeping forces? or something?

[Ace]

I'm assuming that the GTVA sends in forces and aid to maintain stability. However, that would be if the fleet stationed there isn't able to handle the situation first.

We don't have a lot of info on the early NTF rebellion. Most likely the GTVA didn't have any effective way of dealing with the local fleets defecting/starting the rebellion. Especially when the Security Council was allowing it to occur...

[willy_principal]

errrrrrrrrr........what???
fleeets...............you got me wrong......
the rebelion is in a planet..............the conflict is happening in the surface of a planet...not in it's orbit..............
the rebels are fighting against the planet's government, in the ground, air, sea, but not the space.......
so, i think the GTVA has no authority there...
the GTVA authority resides in space...not in the surface of planets... which have their own rules........i think.......

[Gloriano]

so, i think the GTVA has no authority there...

GTVA has authority in space and planets