[Bobboau]

I gave the book and verse, check it

stuf is evolving, very slowly

[Bobboau]

fosil evedence is the best, but for some reason you don't want to accept that, ok, fine,
there is genetic evidence, closly related speciese have very similar DNA you can figure out what the relationships are a lot more acuratly useing DNA than fosils even (unfortunatly most speciese are dead).
there are a number of subspeciese wich are in the process of divergeing but are still the same speciese.

[WeatherOp]

I belive you, but it probly means the Earth won't go floating off in space or that it won't fall apart. But, the thing is that I don't see anything evoloving so I don't belive it , I belive nothing evoloves because God said he created man in his image, But like I said that is the stance you guys are taking on God, he don't exist cause I can't see  him. And like I said if your belief is that man evoloved that is your choice, And I leave this thread at that.

[Kamikaze]

My copy of the bible says similar stuff...

Psalm 93:1 "The world is firmly established; it cannot be shaken."

Psalm 104:5 "You placed the world on its foundation so it would never be moved."

EDIT:

Wait, why do you not believe evolution but believe in God? How can you determine the truth of things if you don't even have a consistent method of evaluating truth?

[Grey Wolf]

You know, we really should have a list of banned topics. I suggest the first one be "Evolution vs. Creation", as this is about the 50th thread on this subject...

[Bobboau]

have you seen God create anything before you?

or we could just have a forum dedicated soly to the battle anytime a thread deteriorates into such a topic *POOF* off it goes

[Kamikaze]

Gray: Why not just avoid the thread? It's not like you have to read it. Anyway, this thread seems to be far more civil than the others (could be related to the lack of Kazan and Tiara. ).

[Grey Wolf]

You know what could be fun? If anyone who tried posting in that forum got an instant 1 day ban...

[Bobboau]

not like your going to belive this or anything

or this

[an0n]

because it says in the Bible of Earthquakes and the Bible don't contradict itself.

Yes it does. Repeatedly. Across multiple issues.

Hell, the entire New Testament is a contradiction of the Old Testament.

[PeachE]

see.. here's the biggest problem with the religious debates. invariably, someone will come along who equates unfalsifiability with "true" and falsifiability with "false".

Originally posted by WeatherOp
I don't have to prove nothing. Ether you belive or you don't. And you said theory. That is about the same thing as a opinion. Whitch is what you think...

okay, kids, one more time for those of you playing the home game. in the scientific world, the order is *drumroll*

opinion ->  conjecture -> hypothesis -> notion -> theory

there is NOTHING higher than theory. that's the best you can do. it's the top of the chain. there are no facts. because the only proof method we have is observation, there is no such thing as a fact.

Evolution is a theory. it has been backed up by reams of scientific data and experiments - it's the best explanation we have. hell, the lifespan of fruitflies is so short, you can make them evolve at will (i've SEEN it).

now then.. can you possibly guess where your "everywhere i look i see god" argument falls in the above chain.. i bet you can.

[an0n]

And as another clarification for the mentally retarded / religious amongst you:

Evolution is not an event, it is a process.

Like how kicking a ball does not constitute an FA-sanctioned game of football.

It goes like this: Thing -> Change in habitat starts killing off Thing -> Mutation happens (or becomes apparent) which counteracts effects of change -> Thing 2 multiplies -> Thing 1 dies off -> Thing 2 prevails.

That's evolution.

The weak are ****ed, the better suited prevail.

As for the no-hand analogy, by having a no-hands mutation, they are less suited to their environment and thus are less likely to breed. Thus serving evolution.

[WeatherOp]

Ohh, so now I'm mentally retarded. Than I count it as a good thing.

Well I am a Teen and I belive in God, How much more mentally retarded can I get.

[Bobboau]

only if An0n's explaination made it clearer than it was before, hopefuly you already understud what he was saying.

[an0n]

I might start subscribing to Lamarckism just so I can sit back and annoy both sides in these little melees.

[Bobboau]

you know there is a degree of validity do that phelosiphy in humans given that we teach our childeren what we learn in life.

[WeatherOp]

You know what guys, we could keep on going with this and go on until the Adm. closes this thread. But, do you know what, since I strongly belive in God, and you guys strongly belive in evolusion, we couldn't change each others beliefs until we die. But if , we keep going, Kazan will find it and POW huge flame war.

[Bobboau]

so, I can live with that, but what are we going to do about the schools?

I sudgest evolution being in science classes in public schools, if you don't like that you can pull your kid out and get a voucher to take them to a school that teaches whatever you want.

can we all live with that araingement?

[WeatherOp]

For me, it don't matter if they teach Evoloution in schools as long as they say that you don't have to belive it, and don't force it on kids who don't want to do the projects that goes against there religon.

[an0n]

So what if Math is against my religion?